on May 11, 2026, 4:54 pm, in reply to ""Nil Satis Nisi Better than Dychey" has a nice ring to it :) nt"
I’m of the view that if we gave him what he wants (i.e. if that ~£100+m had been spent on experienced players in the full back, centre back, centre forward and right midfield positions) then he’d very likely have us top six (at least). The problem is, that doesn’t appear to be the model that TFG want to work to…which looks aimed at bringing in youth while throwing him a couple of bones (in the shape of Grealish / KDH) to remain competitive now.
I think that’s what the club needs to figure out, this summer. I actually wouldn’t disagree with TFG if they decided that they’re sticking to their vision and Moyes isn’t the right man to carry that forward (as I think this year was a wasted one for many of our youngsters).
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I think the argument there is that he massively over-performed against expectations, last season. This season is still over-performing vs what went before - but I think we all agree that there was a missed opportunity for it to be even better. Partly because we’ve not managed games in the way we should, partly because I don’t know that we managed our financial resources particularly effectively, last summer.
The players clearly love and respect him, btw. I think there’s a lot to be said for continuity and time to rebuild the culture that’s been missing for several years. He’s rebuilding much needed foundations - and I do think that a time will come in the next few years where we’re stable enough for someone to take the reins from him - and I worry that we’re looking to run while we’re only just starting to walk again.
You’re right tho - like so many things, these days - both sides are entrenched and minds are made up. I think many were made up before he joined, quite frankly (I’ll admit that mine was).
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But Moyes points per game is definitely down on last season. (by a fair margin)
If you swap Douc for KDH, it's essentially the same team, he's not experimented at all.
Barry has had a fair crack, and has probably developed a little. (despite the misgivings of a lot of the support following the Arsenal game and the disinterested Derby) The rest of them? Basically a full seasons worth of development down the shitter.
I get it, the two camps are pretty much entrenched. The "give him time, Moyes knows what he's doing" side, and the rest of the fans, who know it's treading water at best.
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