But Moyes points per game is definitely down on last season. (by a fair margin)

If you swap Douc for KDH, it's essentially the same team, he's not experimented at all.

Barry has had a fair crack, and has probably developed a little. (despite the misgivings of a lot of the support following the Arsenal game and the disinterested Derby) The rest of them? Basically a full seasons worth of development down the shitter.

I get it, the two camps are pretty much entrenched. The "give him time, Moyes knows what he's doing" side, and the rest of the fans, who know it's treading water at best.