The People's Forum: Exactly this. One side had settled for a point, the other still expected to win. Allowing them

to push on in time added was asking for trouble, we should have been in their half and they’d have had no chance of such a late winner.

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but we'd lost the momentum well before Beto going off

We've finally got midfielders on the bench who are capable of starting and they should have been on after 65 mins
Either Iroegbunam and/or Rohl
That's what handed them the initiative

I could have come on in goal for them for the amount of work he had to do
We never tried to put him under pressure

Last 10 mins they looked for the winner - they were in and around our box whereas we rarely crossed the half way line

We were a side happy with a point

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And the number of times it's at the death would imply there's a cultural issue at the club around it. They're in our heads and they know it - gives them belief when they're down against us and makes us nervy when we're ahead.

I'm not Moyes out at all by any means, he's done a cracking job and should get another season or two before either moving upstairs or whatever, however he is also part of that culture.

The next step for us as a club is to progress past that point where we're happy to just be there and thereabouts and develop a winning culture.

It's doable, but would require a manager who's either an up and comer who won't give a crap about the historic issues or a proven winner who's going to hang around for a while. The most recent example I can think of is Chelsea going out and getting Mourinho from Porto - going back further it's also what Shankly did for our beloved brothers.

Moyes has restored us to where we were when he left, the best of the rest or thereabouts. The challenge for TFG will be if they're serious about becoming a consistent top 4 side managing a 3-4 year cultural reboot at the club that sets you up for that.