And the number of times it's at the death would imply there's a cultural issue at the club around it. They're in our heads and they know it - gives them belief when they're down against us and makes us nervy when we're ahead.

I'm not Moyes out at all by any means, he's done a cracking job and should get another season or two before either moving upstairs or whatever, however he is also part of that culture.

The next step for us as a club is to progress past that point where we're happy to just be there and thereabouts and develop a winning culture.

It's doable, but would require a manager who's either an up and comer who won't give a crap about the historic issues or a proven winner who's going to hang around for a while. The most recent example I can think of is Chelsea going out and getting Mourinho from Porto - going back further it's also what Shankly did for our beloved brothers.

Moyes has restored us to where we were when he left, the best of the rest or thereabouts. The challenge for TFG will be if they're serious about becoming a consistent top 4 side managing a 3-4 year cultural reboot at the club that sets you up for that.