Clearly the stats dont give us context, but what does is the thing i mention below....that we have had the same gripe woth every manager...ditto for every other club.
One of two things could be going on...fans dont what the fuck they are talking about, or managers ego comes into play, ie. this is the side we trained for, the side I picked...give it a bit longer it will come good.
Probably a mix of the two, the main thing for us I think, is despite fans constantly repeating it, Moyes is not an outlier.
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It seems that the only really sub-shy manager is Pep! It could be argued that with the quality of players he has available, he has less need, but it is also a genuine preference. It relates to a further point, however. The willingness of a manager to bring on subs depends, in part, on their perception of whether it would make a difference. In the past few years Al subs bench has been very poor. Whilst not in the same league as some of the top clubs, we now have players on the bench you can make a difference. Question then is who they are and at what point do you bring them on? I don't have any great beef with Moyes on the former, but he does seem to sometimes bring them on too late to make an impact.
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Actually with the real data....much less so.
Liverpool 1,118
Arsenal 1032
Tottenham 990
Fulham 990
Chelsea 989
Everton 987
Man United 987
Brentford 945
Wolves 945
West Ham 940
Brighton 924
Bournemouth 924
Crystal Palace900
Aston Villa
900Newcastle
900Nottingham Forest893
Man City774
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Is Moyes really sub shy?
Since May 2025
Average min of first sub.....60 Everton 58
Average subs used........4 Everton 3.8
Total minutes subs have played since May 2025(top 9 plus Everton)
Brighton 950
Liverpool 1127
Arsenal 1320
Chelsea 961
Man City 495
Man United 977
Tottenham 871
Newcastle 770
Aston Villa 972
Everton 634
This is an AI estimate its used lots of real data but made some assumptions too(???)..it claims its getting me the real match data now for the whole league.
But if thats anywhere near true....yep looks like he is a bit sub shy.
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