The People's Forum: Telling Trump to do one is what we all feel, but...

In the short term is not feasible. Starmer and anyone else frankly who is trying to run a government in Europe has two legitimate concerns about such a course of action. First, he, Macron and others are desperately trying to rescue something that will stop Trump and Vance throwing Ukraine to the Russian wolves. Maybe they will, but we haven't reached that point yet and telling Trump to fuck off would accelerate a US-Kremlin deal that would dismember Ukraine. Second, walking away from the prospects of a trade deal with the US would put key UK industries at additional risk, including pharmaceuticals as Trump would undoubtedly sharply increase tariff levels. Again, it might come to this as the price of the deal may be too high for the UK. In the short term the UK government has little choice but to continue with the softly, softly approach and hope that the contradictions ofMAGA create more favourable conditions for a stronger stance. In the medium term, the UK will face a strategic choice about were our economic and political future lies in a new era of big power geo-politics. It has to be with Europe.

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starting position in this particular negotiation will be "no, we're not changing any laws to enable racists and we're not having any of your shitty chlorinated chicken and hormone-fed beef". Then Trump & Vance throw a tantrum and threaten 100% tariffs. Starmer starts to buckle, suggests compromises and Trump knows he's got him...it will only go one way.

Trump is playing Starmer. When someone with a track record of bullying and leaving a trail of destruction behind everything he touches pretends to be your friend, you should be very, very concerned.

Good job we tore up all that "red tape" that the evil EU were tying us up in, trying to mandate that food should be safe to eat. The barmy Brussels bureaucratic bastards!

My preference, taking into consideration the need for international diplomacy and the UK maintaining good trading relations with its closest allies would be to tell the obese orange cunt to get fucked.

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...not sure if the spine is there though, to be honest.

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Shouldn't UK tell Vance that if we have to make hate speech legal, you should too?

Out of all of the things Trump's chumps do this one is one of most annoying ones to me. Daily we can read from the news how they attack free speech and yet they have the fucking gall to tell us Europeans we don't have free speech. From cutting funding to universities if they don't stop certain things to detaining and deporting people with wrong opinions to trying to force shops to delist books critical of Trump (as David Pakman found out recently). These are not attacks on freedom of speech?

And isn't it odd that hate speech against Jews is reason enough to send you to a concentration camp, yet they demand us Europeans to allow hate speech? Would hate speech against the Jews be ok for them here in Europe? Why is other kinds of hate speech ok but not that?

Sorry, I needed to vent.