The People's Forum: In my opinion, Labour were getting trounced in 2019 regardless of Brexit

Boris Johnson promised everyone lots of investment in their region and they believed him (plus why not try out a Tory MP with a Tory government because they might be able to secure more investment than a Labour MP would) and because Corbyn was the wrong messenger. He was too easy to paint as friends with the IRA, Hamas, Russia etc.

The difference from 2017 was that the attack lines on Corbyn cut through more.

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which comes across as slippery and inauthentic to non lawyers and hence irritating.

Kamala Harris suffered from this, and the 2019 Boris landslide happened imho because Emily Thornberry and Starmer (both lawyers) had the too clever by half idea of negotiating a new Brexit deal which they would then campaign against.

There are that many of them that when a non lawyer says things in blunt terms it sounds all the more compelling, whether on the right (Johnson/Trump) or the left (Mick Lynch, Corbyn to a degree) irrespective of the merits of the argument.

No offence to any of m'learned friends who post here, it is more the politician lawyers I get annoyed with.

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genuinely interested. When did the rot really set in?