on October 30, 2024, 6:21 pm, in reply to "Re: Again: why do they pick the racist? Ron de Santis wasn’t pro-Ukraine "
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From what I saw, it seemed that De Santos suffered because he came across as a dim robot in debates and that impacted the his performance in the primaries.
Nothimg to do with whether he or Trump were racist oe not Previous Message
At some point if it talks like a racist, acts like a racist, and votes for a racist, it’s a racist. Previous Message
I'm not a voter, so what I think is irrelevant.
What I have been trying to articulate is trying to understand the mindset of hundreds of millions of Americans who just get dismissed as in large part racists.
RE the below, as I said, I have not seen any criticism of his actual policy actions.
He didn't start any wars. Putin didn't invade Ukraine on his watch (it can be argued whether that was as a result of anything Trump did or not) Previous Message
The fact that he instigated an insurrection was not a characteristic of poor working relationships and these behaviours underpinned why almost all of his staff now say they wouldn't vote for him. Then there is the fact that he asked two military chiefs to shoot demonstrators (they refused). Many of his staff say that he is completely uninterested in policy, doesn't read documents and basically is only interested in himself and his family. Yeah, here's a bad boss, but he is also a very bad Commander in Chief. But crack on and vote for them anyway as nothing I say will dissuade you. Previous Message
The people who worked for him didn't say his record was bad. They had major issues with him personally (which isn't hard to believe why - he's clearly pretty odious to work with).
Even his former chief of staff or defence secretary have not flagged any actual policy issues (that I've seen at least). Previous Message
'There are plenty of moderates who believed he did a decent job and there is actually something to compare him against'.
In the real world, virtually everybody who worked for him now says his record shows he is unfit for office and advocate a vote for Harris. This includes extremely senior people, including chiefs of staff, to say nothing of his own Vice President. Previous Message
You stated that Harris is an extremely able and intelligent woman.
I don't know if she really is or isn't. I can only go by what I have seen and heard of her and that had been wholly underwhelming. Hillary was far more capable based on her experience and the qxk record.
There's no doubt Trump talks out of his ass regularly. But leaving aside the idiocy of Jan 6th, what in his actions during his last presidency lived up to the outrageous comments he made before then?
There are plenty of moderates who believed he did a decent job and there is actually something to compare him against.
What are we to judge Harris on? It's not clear to me how much influence she had on the Biden term (which many could rightly argue was pretty successful). It's not clear what she would so the same or differently - she has had plenty of chambers to explain Previous Message
Note: statements about Trump not his supporters. Dismissing the latter as all idiots and racistS gets the left nowhere. I repeat my point – to call Harris a 'terrible candidate' when the comparison is Trump is absurd. You or anyone else might wish for a better alternative, but it's the choice we or perhaps more accurately you have got. Previous Message
It is of course understandable how you feel.
But leaving that aside, I don't seem to find it too hard to at least empathise why people may want to vote for Trump (beyond them all being seen as racists and idiots) . The attitude of being appalled at and ridiculing Trump supporters is also in part why there is such a highly charged and polarised election.
There are plenty of reasons why Kamala can be viewed as a terrible candidate (most Dem voters would agree to this themselves six months ago). Previous Message
Let's say for the sake of argument but what you say about Harris is true - she laughs a lot and lack substance. Then compare what we know about Trump, that he lies continually, is racist and misogynist, admires dictators from Hitler to Putin, encouraged his supporters to overthrow the constitution and is threatening to use the army against his opponents.
Apparently you (and Sonoma Blue) don't seem to see this as a problem compared to 'laughing Kamala'. But the no substance stuff is nonsense. Whatever criticisms one might have of the limitations her (extensive) policy programme, she is an extremely intelligent and able woman who demolished Trump in the debate without breaking sweat. Previous Message
Biden seems to have had a lot more substance but he is past it now Previous Message
Genuinely interested in what sort of US Trump voters want to see.
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