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May 1985 tipping point
My personal reflections. We’d won the league and ECWC. Going to Wembley to play United for a treble had plenty of my red mates seething with jealousy and spite. Still proud of the double we had won, that night there was barneys all over the city as they tried to rub our noses in the defeat by their bitterest rivals. Even normally quiet pubs like the Fiveways and Rocket had car parks with fellers squaring up. (hangs head in shame).
Overnight we became Juve fans, whereas prior I’d have been ok with them winning. Then Heysel, the ban, it was Chelsea, the mocking NEC/Steaua chants and banners and I've hated the gobshites ever since.
Back in the day the merseyside derby was a big spirited competitive game, but it was known as 'the friendly derby'. I think this was to do with the rivalries being with Manchester (United) and the London clubs.
What happened? My take: reds fans got majorly frustrated when they stopped winning in the 90's and going into the 2000's. The internationalization of their fanbase (Norwegians and Indians, etc) lost the local feel it had back in the day and the spirit of competition changed to become snide and condescending.
Shame because I've plenty of mates on the red site of the city, but it's just not the way it used to be.
Anyone else got a take on this? Why did it change?