Vyvyan
My issue is that you have read washed up comedian Baddiel’s interpretation of antisemitism - one that has been actual Israeli policy to push for some years now - and appear to believe it to be both accurate and concrete. Yes, I can actually see why you would label my comment as ‘unconscious racism’, because in Baddiel’s (and Israel’s) antisemitism parameters it would fit the bill. [To clarify, I’m not suggesting Baddiel works for Israel, just that he has adopted the idea of the new antisemitism discussed below].
I’ve no idea if Baddiel mentions it but this interpretation is referred to as ‘new antisemitism’. And as much as the BoD, JLM, CAA, CST, etc, etc would like it, this is far from a settled, agreed interpretation. The continuing IHRA dramas are evidence of this fact.
Brian Klug - someone who could easily be described as an antisemitism expert - wrote about the new antisemitism back in 2004 and it’s pretty prescient for the UK right now:
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/myth-new-anti-semitism/
The line that Klug talks about where anti-Zionism becomes antisemitism is pretty difficult to ascertain. What it usually seems to boil down to is a subjective opinion. I could say that Israel is a brutal apartheid state that employs a self-admitted policy of blurring this line as much as possible in order to silence its critics, and Baddiel may claim I’m antisemitic. I could also say that this same Israel employs a powerful lobby in the UK and is linked to parliamentary parties and various Jewish civil and charitable UK groups, and Baddiel may claim I’m antisemitic. Actually, all of that is factual. It’s perhaps the next step though where critics really approach the line: linking the Israel lobby with actions taken by parliamentary parties/individuals and civil/charitable Jewish organizations. This is where Bristol university professor, David Miller, is at the moment. Miller’s expertise is in tracking power networks and a few years ago he turned his attention to Israel’s UK lobby. Ever since he has been hounded and attacked, and right now there is mounting pressure on the uni to sack him. There are facts there involving funding and close relationships with the Israeli embassy and intelligence services but it really is an area where only the brave publicly step. Going there invites an onslaught and also the danger of actually drifting into genuine antisemitism.
This is why I posted my reply to your original Baddiel comment. I’m not trying to justify myself and I’m certainly not excusing myself - I stand by it and would post it again without hesitation - however, in the spirit of contrition, this is what informs my comment.
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To call you a racist went too far. I stand by your post showed unconscious racism and that it isn't worth discussing as you clearly can't see why. But I don't believe showing unconscious racism necessarily makes someone a racist. So sorry for that, like I said it was too strong. Previous Message
You go off and read Brian Klug, Tony Lerman, Nira Yuval Davis and David Feldman. Then you can come back and call me a racist.
In the meantime, I’ll refer to you as an absolute ####wit. Previous Message
No thanks, Priti Patel is a bitch. Previous Message
Should be easy for you since you’ve read the great Baddiel.
Does he mention the JVL or any ‘wrong jews’ in his book? Previous Message
Your response to my post was racist. Had I been talking about any other ism, you would not have responded like that. I said there is no point continuing because I know you just don't see the racism, the book might make you see it, but I know I can't so what's the point. Previous Message
On reflection, cannot.
You don’t get to label someone a racist and say, ‘we’ll leave it at that’.
What other books have you read on the subject? Who else informs your opinion? I won’t read Baddiel’s book because he’s an out and out twat. I have happily read plenty of other stuff on the subject so you’ll have to excuse me for not trusting the words of the eminent scholar, David ####ing Baddiel. Previous Message
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Lets leave it at that, I don't think any more discussion will get us anywhere, you are too far gone. Read the book. Previous Message
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and manimal had responded like that, it wouldn't go down well, this will be ignored, Jews Don't Count. Previous Message
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was all about, should read, Jews Don't Count by David Baddiel. Short and to the point. Its not really about Labor but antisemitism more generally.
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