This messageboard is for Adults 18 years and over.
If you are under this age please leave the board.

Luton Outlaws accepts no responsibility for the content of this messageboard nor any other content posted on it.

Luton Outlaws disclaims all liability for such content to the fullest extent permitted by law.

What you read on here is 100% conjecture, fiction, lies, bullshit and complete bollocks. If you want to be taken seriously, you are in the wrong place.

Any potentially libellous comments that might jeopardise the future of this messageboard will therefore be deleted, and the person posting them will receive a ban.Enjoy.

    A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

    Posted by NinjaUser icon on 17/10/2026, 18:34:45

    The ego and lack of sound football judgment has absolutely screwed us at the top of the club.

    Cannot argue with the run of success under NJ (the prem experience was his legacy) - a brilliant ride, but what has come since is utterly dire. Repeated God awful mistakes and failure to capitalise on the opportunity of a lifetime.

    This period of failure lies firmly with the CEO and board. They didn’t have the football expertise and still don’t. Their ego stopped them getting in the right sort of football knowledge at the top of the club. They wanted to play fantasy football and fluffed it.

    The last two managerial appointments were massive rookie risks at a time when we needed steel and experience. Both allowed to shape their own squads and playing styles. No Luton DNA and a massive waste of money. JW is no manager.

    In most organisations the CEO would be held accountable and either forced to get some expertise in by the board or moved on.

    The club has no backbone or standards. Found out and still nobody capable of dragging us out of this toxic state.

      Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

      Posted by Doctor InceUser icon on 17/10/2026, 19:33:10, in reply to "A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

      All well and good saying stand for election. Realistically no one joining now is getting it.

      I can't go for it because I don't have the time to do it properly.

      The general fan base consensus is, from what I can gather, is that most fans think the Trust won't ask serious questions because they're in sweets pocket.

      The Trust do nothing to disabase this.

      50m has gone from the club playing budget to PC. This was never meant to be the case. Will the club be paid this back? How much, exactly, will sweet and Moran make when completed? Due to the set up, will the club actually own the stadium? Will the Trust have shares? Why didn't we take the offer to build the stadium in exchange for the flats? Perhaps the Trust have asked all these questions, but it's pointless if only Crumpsall and 2 others know the answers.


      Keep em peeled.

        Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

        Posted by crumpsallUser icon on 17/10/2026, 19:55:59, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "
        MIB

        Fuck me, you are devious and disingenuous.

        Many of those questions were among that long list which the Trust were asked to present to the club, and did. We all want the answers.

        Why would only I 'and 2 others' know them?

        What a snidey little comment. From another of the 'want to know it all, but expect everyone else to do the work' brigade.

          Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

          Posted by joey diconioUser icon on 17/10/2026, 20:30:43, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

          Surely people who have the time and inclination to join the trust board are doing it to represent the views or concerns of the members and supporters?

          So I don’t really understand the “brigade” comment.



          Good governance includes being open to scrutiny

          Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

          Posted by Doctor InceUser icon on 17/10/2026, 20:07:38, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

          You are incredibly easy to hook.


          But, for the sake of argument, what was on the list, when was it presented and when do the Trust expect answers? Why have the Trust not mentioned that they have asked the questions?

            Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

            Posted by crumpsallUser icon on 17/10/2026, 20:12:45, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "
            MIB

            Hook? Grow up.

            Do you not actually read what the Trust issues? Or what is posted on here and elsewhere? That list of questions from '1885' was hugely publicised.

            You're very obviously not stupid, so maybe deliberately perverse.

              Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

              Posted by Doctor InceUser icon on 17/10/2026, 20:19:43, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

              Fucking hell that was in March! I thought you meant the Trust had asked more recently than that. A brief scan of my emails returns no answers to those questions, so have the club blanked the Trust on that since March???

                Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                Posted by crumpsallUser icon on 17/10/2026, 20:31:53, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "
                MIB

                The Trust met the board a couple of weeks ago.

                The questions were the subject not just of an email to members but also a Trust programme article.

                Would it be fair to assume that you ask a lot of questions, repeatedly, but totally ignore the responses or answers? Certainly looks that way.

                  Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                  Posted by joey diconioUser icon on 17/10/2026, 20:33:22, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

                  When was the email sent as I haven’t received it



                  Good governance includes being open to scrutiny

                    Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                    Posted by crumpsallUser icon on 17/10/2026, 20:46:27, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "
                    MIB

                    I think I may have been unclear. The email/article a way back, when those questions were all over the place, including here.

                    There has been no email/article re the recent meeting, so far. May be combined with a report of last week's Strategy Workshop?

                      Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                      Posted by Doctor InceUser icon on 17/10/2026, 21:14:21, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

                      Unclear is certainly a way of phrasing it...

                      The last email I can see, in my inbox, from the Trust on the 1885 questions states that they will continue to press for answers, and have reached out to the investors named in thr 1885 email.

                      That was in March. The Trust mightve met the board a few weeks ago but it's pointless if they aren't going to reveal the answers. What are they waiting for?

                      Rumour is now is that it's bad news and they've been asked to wait until it's revealed by the club first in programme notes. Maybe not true, but as with so much surrounding this club - appalling communication feeds rumours

                        Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                        Posted by crumpsallUser icon on 17/10/2026, 21:29:04, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "
                        MIB

                        No investors were named in the 1885 email as far as I know?


                        The Trust have notes in the next 3 programmes. We haven't had a home game since their meeting.

                        'Rumour is...' Ffs rumours are made up by people like you! Why not be honest and say 'I think"?

                          Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                          Posted by Doctor InceUser icon on 17/10/2026, 21:39:35, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

                          Verbatim from the Trust email:

                          Although we don’t know who is behind ‘The 1885’ group, the email contained a number of questions and allegations which we feel supporters have a right to have answered.

                          A Trust board meeting was held on Thursday where this was discussed, and we have reached out to the investors named within the document for answers.


                          So the Trust are relying on programme notes for communication now?

                          Because it's what people are saying to me.

                            Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                            Posted by crumpsallUser icon on 17/10/2026, 21:44:49, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "
                            MIB

                            Members are emailed with every set of programme notes.

                            Sometimes a little late, but guess what? They've got jobs and families too, just like your 'excuse' for not geting involved.

                            No investors were named.

                              Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                              Posted by Doctor InceUser icon on 17/10/2026, 21:48:43, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

                              OK so officially the delay in getting the response from the meeting out is waiting for programme notes?

                              Fair play to them. I just can't commit the time required to doing a proper job of it at the moment. Appreciate everyone's circumstances are different though so full respect to those who can. Excuse in quotes yet you call me snide....

                              Right but the Trust said some were and km just quoting that, as that's the email you told me to read. #defendanddeflect

                                Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                                Posted by crumpsallUser icon on 17/10/2026, 22:02:01, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "
                                MIB

                                The board meeting was confidential . There was never going to be an email about that, but there will be reference to it in the strategy workshop notes/email.

                                Excuse me for using the word snide, but that's the way you come across re this stuff: I'd also point out that I have said I think of you as otherwisea decent sort...I wouldn't bother responding at all if I didn't respect that

                                  Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                                  Posted by Doctor InceUser icon on 17/10/2026, 22:18:23, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

                                  Right, so we're back to my original post - what is the point if only a handful of people know the answers to whatever questions were presented to the board?


                                  Tbh crumps I'm really at a bit of a loss over this whole exchange. You've told me to read the Trust emails, which I have, only for you to then reveal the meeting was confidential, yet somehow I'm ignoring the trusts confidential answers??


                                  I appreciate your last paragraph and I don't mean to be as antagonistic as perhaps I am sometimes because I do appreciate the time you put in, but I really am not sure what your point was in this

                                    Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                                    Posted by crumpsallUser icon on 17/10/2026, 22:35:15, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "
                                    MIB

                                    The last Trust board/club meeting was confidential - it was if you like a shareholders' meeting at which Trust members were represented. Any questions you have of the club, which you ask through the Trust, will be asked of the club.

                                    If the answer is confidential, then the Trust should tell you so. I'd suggest the Chair, Paul, as the route for that.

                                    There are very obviously things which the club will discuss with the Trust which can't 'go public'. It would be immensely naive to think otherwise. I know of such discussions but I don't know the substance: as I've said elsewhere, I live in a world where confidentiality is respected, and rightly so.

                                      Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                                      Posted by Doctor InceUser icon on 17/10/2026, 22:42:33, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

                                      Right, but none of that really explains your earlier answers tbh.

                                      Essentially it's
                                      Me: questions
                                      You: omg don't you read the Trust comms they met the board recently
                                      Me: yes but they don't answer anything
                                      You: the meeting was confidential and that should be respected

                                      ??????


                                      Anyway I shall leave it here as I'm going to go to bed. Night.

                          Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                          Posted by Doctor InceUser icon on 17/10/2026, 21:15:57, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

                          Reading it all again I'm not sure what your point is here other than degend/deflect. Your whole argument is 'the Trust sent an email in March and met the board the other week - have you not bothered to read it?! Also why don't you just join the board'

                            Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                            Posted by TonyBUser icon on 17/10/2026, 21:49:29, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

                            As I stated on another thread, the bloke is full of shit
                            He is so far up Gary's rear end, he can't see the wood for the trees.


                            Black Labs Matter

                              Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                              Posted by crumpsallUser icon on 17/10/2026, 22:07:17, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "
                              MIB

                              And I stated, you're a faceless trolling coward.

                                Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                                Posted by TonyBUser icon on 17/10/2026, 22:28:16, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

                                Thank You
                                And you are a pathetic, angry, defensive prick who takes every criticism of this shitshow personally.
                                Take a look in the mirror. There is a reason you fall out with so many people !


                                Black Labs Matter

                              Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                              Posted by NinjaUser icon on 17/10/2026, 21:41:15, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

                              Exactly that.

                                Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                                Posted by crumpsallUser icon on 17/10/2026, 22:10:14, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "
                                MIB

                                Really?

                                You seem an intelligent person, would you care to expand?

                                And, to remind, to put yourself in for membership of the Trust board so you can do more than snipe pointlessly on a message board?

                                  Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

                                  Posted by NinjaUser icon on 17/10/2026, 22:27:46, in reply to "Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

                                  Not really, I agree with his post. There isn’t a need to expand.

                                  I don’t imagine living so far away from Luton or being able to give up enough time is helpful for such a position. Otherwise, I’d love to.

                                  However, before a time I can contribute in that way, I don’t think a Luton message board is a bad place to vent and share views. This board has always been so and I don’t know what your agenda is to try and shut down anything that criticises the way the club is being run. It’s odd.

          Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

          Posted by crumpsallUser icon on 17/10/2026, 18:47:53, in reply to "A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "
          MIB

          Places on the Trust board are up for election.

          I think that would give you a more potent voice than this message board?

          Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

          Posted by Ampthill MobUser icon on 17/10/2026, 18:44:24, in reply to "A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

          Totally agree. Wouldn’t pay the money for an experienced DOF when we needed it. But have wasted millions on awful transfers, agents fees and wages . And we are now reaping what we’ve sown.


          League one again ole ole

          Re: A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures

          Posted by J in CUser icon on 17/10/2026, 18:35:52, in reply to "A tone deaf board and executive, culpable for the failures "

          Prove this ego stuff


          I live in Hatterfornolifes head

      [ Luton Outlaws - The Avenue of Evil ]

      DISCLAIMER

      The posts made on this board are the opinions of the people posting them and do not always reflect the opinion of the board administration.

      Luton Outlaws is a totally independent forum, paid for and run by supporters of Luton Town and is not associated with Luton Town Football Club, lutontown.co.uk, lutonfc.com, Loyal Luton Supporters Club, Trust in Luton, Luton Town Supporters Club or anyone else for that matter and is declared a 100% Tombola Free Zone.

        Luton Outlaws accepts no responsibility for the content of this messageboard nor any other content posted on it. Luton Outlaws disclaims all liability for such content to the fullest extent permitted by law.

        What you read on here is 100% conjecture, fiction, lies, bullshit and complete bollocks. If you want to be taken seriously, you are in the wrong place. Enjoy. Admin contact - dilligaf.outlaws@gmail.com.

      eXTReMe Tracker