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Posted by Wexford58 on 5/5/2026, 22:25:03
At least one of our shit strikers has gone back to his club (Hamadi to Ipswich) now to get rid of Yates and Cole and we can sign a striker who can score goals , but I don’t trust the recruitment team at Luton they have had signed far to many shit players .
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Posted by Cuba on 5/5/2026, 23:02:14, in reply to "One gone "
I thought we had an obligation to buy????
If not, WTAF did we keep for in January????
This country.Winning is everything - more than you have
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Posted by Sandgrounder on 5/5/2026, 23:33:56, in reply to "Re: One gone "
An obligation to buy if certain criteria were met. Which presumably didn’t include starting 2 games and scoring more goals for Iraq than he did for us.
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Posted by Cuba on 5/5/2026, 23:55:43, in reply to "Re: One gone "
So hugely questionable why we didn’t send back in January and get someone who wasn’t injured.
I assumed we took the chance because we expected to sign permanently, regardless.
What a fcuk up. Winning is everything - more than you have
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Posted by MG on 6/5/2026, 0:17:37, in reply to "Re: One gone "
Did we have the option of sending him back then?
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Posted by Cuba on 6/5/2026, 0:29:37, in reply to "Re: One gone "
It had been inferred we got him because he was injured but that because we took the risk in August it then allowed us to sign him permanently.
Maybe we could have but have now rejected the chance.
However surely we knew in January that this wasn’t working out and we should have ended the loan then.
Who made the call in January to take a chance on him while letting fit strikers like Yates and Alli go.
We missed out by a point, we did that with one striker….. Winning is everything - more than you have
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Posted by Doctor Ince on 6/5/2026, 6:18:22, in reply to "Re: One gone "
We signed Cole in Jan, plus expected Adebayo back. That left us with, in theory but not hindsight, Wells, Adebayo, Cole and al-hamadi.
Can see why we thought that would be enough, just a shame two of them got injured again and one has been underwhelming
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Posted by MG on 6/5/2026, 0:54:37, in reply to "Re: One gone "
Again, did we have the option to end a season long loan in January?
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Posted by Trindle and Buffoon on 6/5/2026, 0:32:45, in reply to "Re: One gone "
Because Alli and Yates were ripping up trees whilst AAH was out injured weren't they...
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Posted by Cuba on 6/5/2026, 0:48:12, in reply to "Re: One gone "
True but they were fit and able to play. Hardly makes sense to retain someone who was weeks away from any fitness when Eli was also unlikely to play….and then panic and waste money on Cole……Winning is everything - more than you have
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Posted by The Outsider on 6/5/2026, 1:09:36, in reply to "Re: One gone " VIP
Whatever the position with other players, you haven't answered the question - did we have the option to send him back in January - it was a season-long loan so there may have been no such option available.
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Posted by Cuba on 6/5/2026, 6:37:50, in reply to "Re: One gone "
Yes very fair point, only basing my view on the fact that he played a few minutes before the second injury when on International duty.
Had assumed that we didn’t attend to return because we had chosen not to rather than being unable to because the contract prohibited that.
Rotherham returned Holmes following his injuryWinning is everything - more than you have
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Posted by The Outsider on 6/5/2026, 7:07:36, in reply to "Re: One gone " VIP
The agreement may have been different to that for Holmes. As far as I am aware, there was no option or obligation to buy in his case.
With AAH, we may have asked for no January "break clause" so that they couldn't recall him. I believe that there was no January return option in Kodua's loan agreement.
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Posted by Cuba on 6/5/2026, 7:10:47, in reply to "Re: One gone "
👍👍Winning is everything - more than you have
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Posted by HH on 6/5/2026, 7:02:11, in reply to "Re: One gone "
I guess next time the club sign an injured players on loan, we should include a break clause so if he doesn't recover and threatens to contribute sweet FA, we can send him back.
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Posted by The Outsider on 6/5/2026, 7:12:23, in reply to "Re: One gone " VIP
But you also run the risk that, if they recover within the expected time and then do really well, their club may want to recall them and loan them out at a higher level. Isn't that what we did with Archer - I'm not sure but I think that Cheltenham wanted to keep him but we wanted him to step up a level.
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Posted by HH on 6/5/2026, 7:21:01, in reply to "Re: One gone "
Surely that is something that can also be negotiated?
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Posted by The Outsider on 6/5/2026, 7:42:08, in reply to "Re: One gone " VIP
You either want a break clause or you don't. Why should the lending club take all the risks if you want to borrow their player.
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Posted by HH on 6/5/2026, 7:59:22, in reply to "Re: One gone "
In this case, it’s not really comparable risk though. Ipswich are sending out a player who isn’t going to feature for them anyway, their downside is minimal.
Meanwhile we were paying wages, using a squad spot and taking the hit if it doesn’t work.
In that situation, wanting a conditional break clause doesn't feel unreasonable. I just feel like next time we signed an injured player on a season long loan, it feels somewhat pragmatic to have a 'if they haven't featured in 10% of the games by January condition, we are sending him back' condition built in.
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Posted by The Outsider on 6/5/2026, 8:05:46, in reply to "Re: One gone " VIP
Surely, Ipswich's risk is that he goes back in January with an injury sustained playing for us which means that they can't loan him out elsewhere so have to pay his wages for the rest of the season.
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Posted by HH on 6/5/2026, 8:11:42, in reply to "Re: One gone "
That’s the point though risk in loans is priced in, not avoided.
A break clause for us wouldn’t be free, you’d attach a cost to it.
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Posted by The Outsider on 6/5/2026, 8:10:09, in reply to "Re: One gone " VIP
A bigger risk for Ipswich is that he had already played for them this season so couldn't have been loaned out elsewhere if we sent him back.
That was what caused us a problem with Holmes. We couldn't send him out on loan again.
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Posted by HH on 6/5/2026, 8:12:56, in reply to "Re: One gone "
So Rotherham could do it to us but we couldn't to Ipswich?
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Posted by Doctor Ince on 6/5/2026, 9:22:47, in reply to "Re: One gone "
With loans I understand it's relatively common to pay loan fee and wages tied to playing time.
The benefit being (to use Lawrence as an example) that if he plays regularly we save money and he develops so City can use or sell him, and if doesn't play much then it costs us more.
I agree though, with his injury record and Gary's reputation as a negotiator, I'd be surprised we didn't have something built in. Although I am told we were misled over the extent of the injury
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Posted by Ampthill Fan on 6/5/2026, 9:49:05, in reply to "Re: One gone "
Misled...did we not do a medical of our own
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Posted by HH on 6/5/2026, 9:43:08, in reply to "Re: One gone "
Ipswich mislead us? I would have hoped we did our own medical assessment and didn't just take their word re his injury.
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Posted by The Outsider on 6/5/2026, 9:27:14, in reply to "Re: One gone " VIP
Nah, it's in Lawrence's contract that he has to start every game
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Posted by Doctor Ince on 6/5/2026, 9:33:48, in reply to "Re: One gone "
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Posted by The Outsider on 6/5/2026, 8:21:23, in reply to "Re: One gone " VIP
Rotherham didn't have an option or obligation to buy whereas we did. May have affected the situation.
Without knowing all the facts, it's difficult to tell.
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Posted by Cuba on 6/5/2026, 7:09:45, in reply to "Re: One gone "
If there was a break clause but we decided to take the risk was the point I was originally making.
I am guessing, but maybe the obligation to buy was enforced if we had been promoted?
Winning is everything - more than you have
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Posted by The Outsider on 6/5/2026, 7:18:57, in reply to "Re: One gone " VIP
The obligation may have been based on promotion, appearances or goals. Reading his twitter comment about bad refereeing decisions affecting players' careers, it may be that he was referring to not getting into the play-offs meant no chance of promotion so he missed out on a move.
In Lonwijk's case, if it's appearances, we may have an obligation to buy. I haven't seen any reference to him having gone back.
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Posted by bbb on 5/5/2026, 22:51:19, in reply to "One gone " WUM 2
I'm just excited to see the kasey Palmer signing announcement. You said it was sorted tubby. How long do we have to wait?
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Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 5/5/2026, 22:41:08, in reply to "One gone "
I was starting to warm to him, better than Yates, Wells and ColeOnly Nige can save us
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Posted by Zobra The Greek on 6/5/2026, 9:49:40, in reply to "Re: One gone "
He’s a good player. I don’t know why people lumped him in with Yates and Nordas.
I’m pretty sure wherever he ends up next season, he’ll have a good one.
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Posted by HH on 6/5/2026, 10:12:21, in reply to "Re: One gone "
I agree.
Although whether I would sign him based on last season, I don't know.
I was just reading some of JW's quotes about AAH before the Northampton away game last October. About how impressive he was on the training ground and how we were having to take it really slow with him as we didn't want to rush him. Then he goes and plays a game with Iraq literally a week later and we know what happened there....
Probably would have gone up with Odoffin and a fit AAH all season.
Probably would have stayed up last year with a fit Baptiste.
Rinse and repeat.
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Posted by Zobra The Greek on 6/5/2026, 10:36:21, in reply to "Re: One gone "
I agree with you on that. Feel like we probably need a new option. He’ll probably go to Sheffield Wednesday and score 40 goals with Jerry Yates.
With only one up front in this system, it’s going to be interesting how many forwards we have. And will depend on the Elijah situation, too.
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Posted by HH on 6/5/2026, 10:48:23, in reply to "Re: One gone "
Definitely.
Yates, Michael Cheek, AAH, KP. Joe Taylor.
All nailed on to score against us next season.
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Posted by Nick NBH on 5/5/2026, 22:37:20, in reply to "One gone "
I`d have rather kept al hamadi than the other 2 tbh. And if fit he will get 15-20 for someone at our level next season. And when he did play he showed he could be useful (he did get the assist saturday which for a millisecond made us think we were in the playoffs. He seemed to care as well which isnt` bad start
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Posted by Sandgrounder on 5/5/2026, 22:50:17, in reply to "Re: One gone "
You say ‘get the assist’. Others may say ‘missed a chance from point blank range’
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Posted by Wexford58 on 5/5/2026, 22:44:49, in reply to "Re: One gone "
You have a few good points but on the other hand can we another season with Hamadi of injuries I just think it’s to big a chance to take on him , and also I believe it would cost a lot of money to get him not for me anyway.
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Posted by Nick NBH on 5/5/2026, 22:59:36, in reply to "Re: One gone "
A free with a sell on would be the approach i`d take. They can have that or yates , cole and a bag of crisps
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Posted by MG on 6/5/2026, 0:18:55, in reply to "Re: One gone "
Can we keep the bag of crisps?
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Posted by HH on 5/5/2026, 23:09:05, in reply to "Re: One gone "
I'm looking forward to a season of AAH, Michael Cheek and KP in a MK shirt scoring against us.
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