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Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by Desperate Dan <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Desperate+Dan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 12:30:28

Hi Everyone,

So near yet so far. It is the hope that kills you in the end.

All true, but football has a way of shoving you down then raising you up again. On the 27th May 2023 we beat a Coventry City side in the play off final. None of us that day thought a few short years later we would be in League One. The lesson of course is sometimes you have to go back a few steps in order to move forward. Coventry have shown that even when the chips are down if you stick together then dreams can come true, even when you have been crushed on the biggest stage.

Our season has been all over the place to be frank. A tale of if not quite two halves, then definitely three thirds, the bad, the ugly and the good. A run of 12 wins and two draws in that final third was promotion form. Of course that included the Wembley win. However, too many silly lost games or games that were drawn when we should have won cost us in the end, and "that goal" by Stevenage really did sum our season up. It should have never come down to other results to help us, it should have been in our hands from the start. Control the controllables as a great man once said, how very true!

Jack Wilshere and Chris Powell have it now seems settled into their roles and with it we have seen the green shoots of improvement starting to taking place, it has taken time but we are beginning to see consistency and desire to win games after what has seemed like forever where we didn't seem to have a clue what we were doing.

It was looking a little rocky at times and we said so as an organisation, but a season is a marathon and not a sprint.

Both Jack and Chris have stated how the atmosphere can influence games at home. I feel they haven't really experienced what it can be truly like once we are going for it. But to get to that stage it means winning consistently and giving the support something to get behind.

Winning at Bolton, who had only lost once before we rocked up, really does mean that going into the new season gives us hope that it will be a very successful one as long as we can keep the momentum going. This of course depends on recruitment to strengthen what we have and clear out the deadwood to return to the Championship. To say our recent transfer business has been hit and (mostly) miss would be an understatement.

Hopefully we can keep Kasey Palmer on a permanent basis and hold on to our Player of the Season Jordan Clark. FFP rules though, are going to make it extremely difficult. That's not an excuse but a reality something that we are going to have to accept.

We had a day out a Wembley, we picked up a trophy and just missed out on the playoffs. On paper not bad depending on your starting point, but we know it can and should have been so much better, and it must be next season, our penultimate at Kenilworth Road if all goes to plan at Power Court.

Keep the faith!

Enjoy the World Cup summer, we go again!

Carpe Diem!

Kevin Rouse
Chairman
Loyal Luton Supporters Club

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Posted by StreatHat <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=StreatHat' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 6/5/2026, 21:44:28, in reply to "Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Wow, what happened to the ‘enough is enough’ statement to the CEO and Board from a few months ago? I guess an 11/12 game unbeaten and a trip to Wembley for a meaningless cup was ‘enough’.

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Posted by Carp Fisher <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Carp+Fisher' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 17:20:58, in reply to "Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Another toothless supporter group, not up to much since Kev Lennon stepped down.

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Posted by Sheff <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Sheff' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 6/5/2026, 0:37:51, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Is that the same Kev Lennon who backed Bushwood back in the day??

Farige is a Complete Tosser

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Posted by Bootin <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Bootin' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 13:36:42, in reply to "Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Well we stuck together and ended up in League 1. Our top players obviously wanted out and thought they were too good for Luton Town.

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Posted by Trevor <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Trevor' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 13:58:27, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Arguably Coventry didn't stick together, their best 2 players left and soon after they changed manager, but you get his point.

The truth is simple. If it was complicated, everyone would understand it.

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Posted by Father Ted <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Father+Ted' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 13:42:55, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Not a chance of keeping Kasey Palmer and judging by Jordans reaction after the Bolton game, he's off as well.
Another monumental fuck up of a season, we can only hope we have started to turn a corner.

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Posted by Cuba <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Cuba' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 14:12:03, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

The four clubs ahead of us, and Lincoln, didn’t have or need players as good (on paper) as Palmer and Clark, yet they all finished ahead of us.

Winning is everything - more than you have

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Posted by Zobra The Greek <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Zobra+The+Greek' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 14:02:40, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

'monumental'?

It was a failure, of course. But most clubs relegated to League One don't bounce straight back. I know, I know...'PL money and parachute payments' etc. But the fact is that the money from the PL went to Power Court, rennovations on KR and on transfer fees when we were promoted. And the parachute payments have helped pay the wages of players who were on PL salaries. Which is what they're meant for, not to spend on players.

The board made the mistake of waiting too long to fire RE, and then got the next appointment wrong. That happens at every club. If we'd started the season with Wilshere, we'd have at least been in the play offs.

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Posted by Ampthill Mob <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Ampthill+Mob' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 16:38:35, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Most clubs relegated from the premier league, don't have the manager say 'we're aiming to win the league' and then get relegated again.

League one again ole ole

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Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 14:34:38, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

2 other clubs double-relegated from the top flight to the 3rd division went back up to the 2nd division, as Champions, at the 1st attempt

One other made the play-offs and failed to go up. I think we were only the 4th club in history to do that (Leicester are now the 5th). We were a mess in 1992 and didn't even get double relegated

So, 'monumental' is probably a fair description

It's ok though cos we are reinforcing and reorganising foundations and are also intent on improving, apparently

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Posted by Zobra The Greek <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Zobra+The+Greek' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 14:43:17, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

I absolutely know that nothing I say will change your opinion on this. But to clarify, my point wasn't that double relegated teams haven't gone up. But teams coming down from the Championhip tend to stay down in L1 for at least a couple of seasons. And that we weren't an ordinary case of a team being relegated from the PL, because we are funding a stadium build.

So if you take the PL money out of the equation, and look at us as a Championship club, it's not unusual that we didn't go straight back up.

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Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:02:16, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

But we are/were a double-relegated team. With parachute payments. That makes us different from the huge majority of clubs relegated from the C'ship to the 3rd division

Funding a stadium build? We were funding a stadium build on the rise, too, weren't we?

So, are we now saying that much of the parachute payments have gone to PC rather than the playing side? Because, again, I thought we weren't relying on the prem money to pay for a new ground. That was always a club line before 2023

Also, the constant re-designs seem to be costing loads of time and shit loads of money too. Was this really necessary?

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Posted by Zobra The Greek <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Zobra+The+Greek' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:15:51, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Unless I'm mistaken, the club said that the initial PL money meant that we were able to pay for half of the staidum using that, rather than borrowing it all.

And I would guess that the parachute payments after relegation went towards being able to pay players who were now on PL wages. They were designed for this, not as trampoline payments, which many clubs have used them as. Usually clubs who have a much bigger financial clout already.

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Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:24:42, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

But the line, pre-2023, was that we didn't need promotion to the prem to get PC built. I'm sure I'm right in saying that

So, what, we did need it? Is that what we're saying now? Because the goalposts seem to keep moving

Didn't we get rid of many of the big earners last summer? That should've freed up cash. And, surely the fact that those prem players that we retained (forced to retain as no other club wanted them) and were on prem wages, couldn't get us out of L1 might suggest some of our prem recruitment wasn't very good

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Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:31:46, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

It was the line most definitely at one point, not sure exactly when. But to be fair costs of building have continually risen and we have gone from the 17.5k kitted out spec with room to get to 23.5k spec later to a fully kitted out and upgraded 25k spec in that time too.

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Posted by Zobra The Greek <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Zobra+The+Greek' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:31:08, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

They always said it would be built without needing the PL. But you don't just magic 200 million or whatever out of thin air. The PL money meant that we wouldn't have to borrow all of it.

And the delays in building/redesign... You're talking as though 2020 are doing this for the craic. I don't know the ins and outs of it, but if they say they're saving a shit load of money in building a larger stadium now rather than in the future, then I trust them.

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Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:48:25, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Why redesign from 23K to 25K and a much higher spec? Unnecessary

Until we got promoted, that £200 million figure didn't even get talked about. There is no way, without promotion, any bank was going to lend us £200 million so I don't see how it could be built without promotion

And, you know, thinking long term isn't ALWAYS the best way to think. Business have to deal in the short term, too. And if getting a stadium built - even if it isn't perfect - might not have been a bad strategy. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good

How much money would building to this - what are we now, 3rd, 4th - spec (lost count) have saved by the way? Again, we're just taking the club's word for how much it would have cost in the long run. Where are the numbers?

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Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 16:26:01, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

I was just trying to explain some of the gap. However, I think given that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity then building the "best" stadium we can is not unreasonable. I think we have seen plenty of clubs settling for "Meh" and I bet they would have spent considerable time since on "what ifs".

Is 25k "best"? There I am not so sure to be perfectly honest but I'm going to say that I think in this case "long term" is the best way to behave for such a one-off opportunity. (And yes we could expand later but that is hugely disruptive and much more costly).

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Posted by Zobra The Greek <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Zobra+The+Greek' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 16:12:18, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

I believe the original first phase was to build a capacity of 17500 with the option to expand it.
And going straight for the 25k capacity saved money down the line

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Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 16:25:13, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Yes but there were other designs too

We didn't jump from 17,500 with a basic spec to a small version of Spurs's stadium in one leap

Now, I agree that 17,500 and a low spec probably wasn't ambitious enough but there were a couple of designs in between that would have suited us nicely. There was a middle ground. I think the pendulum has swung too far the other way and it's cost us time and the debt looks like it's going to be huge (what the sales of resi does to eat into that, I have no clue. I hope it is significant otherwise we have a huge, fuck-off millstone round our necks and that prospect worries the hell out of me)

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Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 16:17:39, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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And opens up to bigger non football events such as LutonStock or Oasis gigs,Boxing and other events

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Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:56:56, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

And getting a good version of the stadium built - even if it wasn't perfect - might not have been a bad strategy

I meant to say. Apols

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Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:32:02, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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Again we agree

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Posted by Zobra The Greek <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Zobra+The+Greek' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:39:42, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Most don't unfortunately, my old mucker

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Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:44:54, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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Reality often evades those that think they no better.

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Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:59:54, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Know it doesn't.

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Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 16:05:10, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

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Posted by Zobra The Greek <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Zobra+The+Greek' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 16:04:04, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

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Posted by bbb <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=bbb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 14:17:49, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
WUM 2

So we were lied to about the PL money regards PC then?

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Posted by Zobra The Greek <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Zobra+The+Greek' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 14:53:56, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

In what way?

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Posted by bbb <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=bbb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 16:38:54, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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That just 30m of the PL was needed for PC.

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Posted by Zobra The Greek <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Zobra+The+Greek' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 17:22:01, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

As far as I'm aware we got around 100 million for promotion. We spent 10 million on KR, 30 million on transfer fees and another 30 mill on player wages. With the rest ringfenced for the stadium. The rest of the stadium money coming from Newlands and borrowing.

In hindsight we should've just not bought any players, gone with the squad we had, and used that for the stadium as well. Don't think that would have gone down to well, though.

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Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 17:42:18, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

That just goes back to the point around us, apparently, not needing promotion to get the ground built

Why did so much money from the prem need to get ring-fenced if the above is also true?

So many contradictions in this. Sits really uncomfortably with me

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Posted by Whhatter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Whhatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 17:27:30, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

I thought it was nearer £160 million??

I think was bbb is saying why they would make such a statement knowing it was false? If the he funding was there and only 30 million was needed why are we now looking at being in debt? I get the transfers and PL wages ate a lot, as did KR etc but some transparency and honesty would have been better?

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Posted by TonyB <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=TonyB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 14:15:00, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Yep I'd say monumental.
From Premier League to two relegations in a row, followed by failure to even make the play offs. Unprecedented in English football and largely down to incompetence and arrogance from the top.
The statement from the board is frankly laughable.
Where we have ended up at the end of this season is failure by Gary's own measurement. All gone a little quiet at the top on that one though !!

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Posted by RandomHatter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=RandomHatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 14:09:21, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Would you agree that relegated last season was a mumumental fuck up? Or "does that happen at every club too"?

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Posted by Zobra The Greek <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Zobra+The+Greek' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 14:26:53, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Yeah of course.

But that's one season out of 10 years of constant progression.

I think that season we became unstuck as a club. And we panicked with some of the signings and the managerial appointment.

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Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 14:39:14, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

The constant progression that has now been flushed down the toilet. On the pitch, anyway

2020 picked us up when we were in the 3rd division. And, 18 years later... we are in the 3rd division

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Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 14:59:14, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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Pretty stupid comment really

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Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:04:28, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

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Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:09:22, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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Glad u agree

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Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:11:09, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

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Posted by Zobra The Greek <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Zobra+The+Greek' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 14:52:46, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

18 years later we are in division 3, with a stadium being built, after a season in the PL.

Yes on paper we were playing in the 3rd tier when they took us over, but we could make no signings and were basically already relegated. Then the 30 point deduction that summer basically meant that we were in all but name a non league side, and one without a first team squad. You can see from Sheffield Wednesday this season how something like that can effect a club.

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Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:10:05, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

So, what about my point of progression then? That's been thrown away

Yes, we had a couple of cracking seasons but progression, followed by regression seems a bit of a waste of time

Like a restaurant getting a Michelin star, then giving its customers food poisoning

We are very unstable. The prem promotion gave us the perfect opportunity to stabilise. Even if that was mid-table in the C'ship for a couple or three years, before moving home, hardly anybody would have complained

We couldn't even do that. 2 years of inexcusable failure

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Posted by Zobra The Greek <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Zobra+The+Greek' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:27:09, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

We had more than a couple of cracking seasons tbh.

And sometimes progression comes with a couple of steps backwards. There are dozens of examples of teams who have taken a backwards step (a couple or more seasons in L1) and gone on to be solid, successful clubs: Leicester, Leeds, Southampton, Sheffield United, Sunderland, Forest...

If in 5-10 years time we're still in league one and don't have our own stadium, then you'll be right, but I completely disagree that we're unstable. Far from it, infact.

You say two years of inexcusable failure...I agree with 24/25, but what more would you have done this season? We could've sacked Bloomfield at the end of last season. Maybe we couldn've spent more money or signed different players, but the same outcome could've easily happened. Yeah, Wilshere took 3/4 months to get things going, but it's his first season as a manager. And now we look to have turned a corner. I'm exteremely aware that I'm in a minority on this, but I don't mind having some patience.

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Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:35:46, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

What more would I have done? Signed better fucking players! Fortunately, if Wilshere and Powell have complete control of recruitment I can see that finally improving after 5 (maybe 6) inadequate or downright shit transfer windows

Many of those clubs you list that went down to L1 were run terribly at the time. We keep patting ourselves on the back and saying what a fantastically well-run club we are. Well-run clubs do not get double relegated from the prem. And to compound that by not even being anywhere near competing for autos out of Div 3 is also utterly shite

This is not normal

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Posted by Ampthill Fan <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Ampthill+Fan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:33:08, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

You keep on about the stadium build.. great yeah..but we were told funding was in place..what would we have done if no prem dish had arrived
.also recruitment has been in the main woefull..large number of players not able for selection due to historic injuries..the stadium funding from prem funds meant no Ipswich bounce for us

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:30:08, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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Agreed

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:11:57, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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Or 15 years of success

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:19:03, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

15 years of success? What are you talking about? Now, THAT is a stupid comment

1 season of success in 2013-2014. Then a run between 2017 and 2023 which was very impressive

The rest was a series of failures to get out of non-league (which, I acknowledge, was understandable at the time cos we were in a mess and I defended the club to the hilt at the time. Thought I'd get that in before the fanboys start bleating), 4 years to get out of Div 4 and a double-relegation out of the prem

As much miss as hit, I'd say

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:24:56, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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So not a failure then

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:21:40, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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Isn't PL And 200 million we could only ever dream of success.

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:26:12, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

You said 15 years of success. Stop moving the argument and deflecting from your incorrect claim

And, anyway, what has happened to that cash? Wasted on shit recruitment and an ever-increasing stadium build cost. Cosmic

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:28:54, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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Pretty sure the club have it all in control , Football forum faux club finance experts may not .

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by Father Ted <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Father+Ted' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:45:52, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

So you'd call the last two years, having it under control. I'll stick with my original comments, it's a monumental fucking disgrace, what's happening with the playing side of things. Plus, I seem to remember we were told funding was more or less in place for PC regardless if we made the so called promise land.

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by Caught Jester <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Caught+Jester' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:49:02, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

2016 - 2023- Newlands & the flats will pay for the stadium
2023 - 2025 - Newlands, the flats & £30m of EPL money will pay for the stadium
2025 to date - Newlands, the flats, £30m of EPL money & £60+m of parachute payments WON’T pay for the stadium

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:48:21, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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So let's get the board out and find jonny foreigner to own us eh

It is what it is live with it

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by The Surveyor <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=The+Surveyor' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 16:22:46, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

The yanks are being lined up.

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 16:27:50, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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Losing your identity just to win a few games of football 😞

That would be sad and the end for me

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by Ampthill Mob <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Ampthill+Mob' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 16:48:51, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Good.

You can spend more time out walking your dog or chasing butterflies instead then.

League one again ole ole

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:38:39, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Ah, back to good old blind faith and positive thoughts. Close your eyes and cross your fingers. Everything will be alright

Sunlit uplands and unicorns

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:43:24, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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or just a better understanding of how football cycles works .

We are Luton Town not Liverpool or City

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:50:29, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Ah, yes, another of your well-used cliches

CYCLES

Bollocks. Utter bollocks

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:53:16, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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No it isnt just realism .

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 14:42:43, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

That's just a little disingenuous.

"Picked us up in the 3rd division" . . . I think that might need a little qualification to make it a bit more reasonable.

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:59:23, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Yeah, I know

I was being flippant and tongue-in-cheek

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 16:01:46, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

You rascal you!

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 16:03:53, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

I know. I'm a cad

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 16:21:16, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by RandomHatter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=RandomHatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 14:10:22, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

getting*

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 14:06:43, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"
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Agreed with that some will not

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by Maah001 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Maah001' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:02:35, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

A lot of talk of three years of failure, but I don't see it as that (18 months maybe, but not three years).

During the premier league season we put in a good account of ourselves. If we didn't have all the injuries at the end of the season, particularly in defence, who knows? We could have spunked up all the cash and still got relegated. We invested in the future of our club and I think a lot of long term fans will have been happy to have a team to support in the years to come.

Agreed, last season was a disaster with poor attitude from players who thought they were better than they were and poor recruitment (both players and management), but hey, we are not alone in that.

This season started as the previous one ended, and ultimately that has cost us, but the changes that have been made seem to be moving us in the right direction.

Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club

Posted by Ampthill Fan <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Ampthill+Fan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/5/2026, 15:28:00, in reply to "Re: Loyal Luton Supporters Club"

Those improvements temporary..loan players got us on track..reckon they will be off..a rebuild on the way..that will take time..

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