Luton Outlaws - The Avenue of Evil

Cohen Brammall

Posted by LTFC39 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=LTFC39' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 13:47:05

For me, this sums up our recruitment over the last 2 years.

We sell our best winger since at least 2018 for a few million (and it sounds like significantly below what we’d have expected, which seems to have gone quiet) and replace him a few days later by a journeyman.

And such player who has done nothing in pre-season. Wasn’t deemed good enough for a club with a substantially lower budget. League 1 is definitely his level.

Surely we can do better than this?

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by Andy Cappuccino <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Andy+Cappuccino' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 16:36:20, in reply to "Cohen Brammall"

In the limited game time he's had didn't look too bad. What are you expecting from a L1 defender?

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by joey diconio <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=joey+diconio' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 14:24:05, in reply to "Cohen Brammall"

The fact he doesn’t seems to have been here on trial or even training with us until Doughty “felt something” is pretty damning

Truth seeker / snide

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by NotaBene <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=NotaBene' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 13:52:10, in reply to "Cohen Brammall"

What more could we have done?!

We’ve only got a transfer surplus of 7-8m this window.

All hail, glorious leader.

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by LTFC39 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=LTFC39' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 13:56:12, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

As I’ve said before, I do think a lot of it is that we cannot attract players at League One level aside of smashing our wage structure.

Maybe that’s what it takes?

Regardless of spending, our total budget is still humongous because we’re paying Championship wages on players still. People forget that salaries are a thing and it’s not just transfer fees.

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by HH <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=HH' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 14:28:58, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

I would bet my right bollock our wage bill is the highest in the League this season.

And suspect it was one of the highest in the Championship last season.

Our wage bill two seasons ago was 57m.

No way was it lower than 30m last season. And probably still around 15-20m this year. That is huge for this level.

Re: Cohen Brammall

I would say our total budget will be around £30M this season on players alone if you include budgeted promotion bonuses which are always generous. Remember transfer fees are typically structured over time too.

Last season I suspected our budget was around £45M if you include all the transfer fees.

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by HH <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=HH' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 14:41:17, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

A very decent budget for this level.

I accept parachute payments are falling away next season irrespective of what league we're in, but even so we should be able to improve the squad.

And if not, then you're going to have to clearly explain why.

The irritating thing, I suspect a few million quid went on paying off a manager we sacked 6 months after giving him a 4 year deal.

You could have had a few decent fall backs with that cash.

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by The Questioner <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=The+Questioner' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 21:58:56, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

Whilst we payed Rob Edwards the deal was if he found another club then he had to pay us back so in effect he only cost us 6 months salary….you could argue he cost us a lot more I suppose…..

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 15:08:07, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

I think you've already explained it in part haven't you?

57m
30m
20m
13m ground improvements
30m for PC?

That's 150 million right there and we haven't touched transfer fees, promotion bonuses for getting to the PL, agents' fees, staff costs and so on.

Hence the need to sell before we buy?

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by HH <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=HH' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 15:16:16, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

We still generate income outside of parachute payments though.

Without them in the Championship our turnover was 18m. So where has that gone?

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by HH <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=HH' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 15:23:29, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

Just had a quick look at the parachute payments

We received 115m in 23/24

Last season would have been 55% of a PL revenue
This season would be 45%?

So I think it would be far in excess of 150m

Even so, whatever it is, the idea we can't attract players at this level is borderline absurd IMO

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 16:45:50, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

Hmmm, not as absurd as everyone has been trying to make out though I would say.

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by The Outsider <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=The+Outsider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 15:53:27, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"
VIP

We received 115m in 23/24

What does that figure relate to?

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by HH <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=HH' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 16:45:13, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

The PL website

https://www.premierleague.com/en/news/4037205

Re: Cohen Brammall

Parachute payments are "only" based on the central share, which I assume is what is described on there as equal share.

Our parachute payments were approximately £49 million last season and £40 million this season.

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by HH <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=HH' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 19:44:10, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

OK.

So, we've only received the 204m from PL football.

And we cant attract anyone, apparently.

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 19:51:02, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

To be fair we fuck it up when we spend anyway. May as well throw everything at PC judging by the recent recruitment

About £18 million-£20 million on...

Sicknote Andersen
Nordas
McGuinness
Chong
Holmes

What an utter waste of funds

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by HH <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=HH' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 16:48:15, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

Although the club's accounts say League Distributions were 116m

Re: Cohen Brammall

We didn’t sack Edwards - we sent him gardening for 6 months. As a result we pocketed an amount from Middlesbrough. Probably didn’t cover his severance but better than nothing.

Very decent budget? It’s probably 10x what some teams have at this level!

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by HH <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=HH' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 14:47:26, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

Fair enough, I stand corrected re Edwards.

Agree re budget. The whole idea we can't attract players at this level with our budget....what the fuck are we smoking?

I'm sure Nathan used to sell the club to potential targets, what we can do for them and their careers. How we can improve them.

Have we lost absolutely everything that used to make us so successful?

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by Well <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Well' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 14:54:24, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

We seemed to have a project as a club with Jones.

Getting to the premier seemed to destroy that completely.

It was almost as if the job was done and that’s it, now we seem to be meh at best.

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by HH <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=HH' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 14:29:47, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

As in, our PL wage bill was 57m

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by Sixtiesfan <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Sixtiesfan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 13:50:31, in reply to "Cohen Brammall"

Typical example of awful recruitment. Doing things on the cheap. Saves money I suppose.

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by Zobra The Greek <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Zobra+The+Greek' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 13:56:30, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

Ok this whole doing things on the cheap thing is a lazy complaint.

I genuinely don’t think they’re trying to be cheap, you just can’t get good quality players who want to drop to L1 level. And top L1 players want to play in the champ or their clubs aren’t going to sell to rival.

I completely agree it’s been very poor not getting a LWB in early in the summer, but don’t think it’s to do with not wanting to spend money.

Re: Cohen Brammall

I don’t agree….last season Birmingham spent £25m and it’s worked out pretty well for them.

Re: Cohen Brammall

I agree. But surely there’s a player within L1 that is up and coming and not on the way down like Brammall?

Not the same position but I really don’t understand why we didn’t go in for Ronnie Edwards and/or Harrison Burrows last summer who were both at this level.

Re: Cohen Brammall

Yeah Ive no idea. I’m sure there are.
I’m guessing we missed out on a couple of targets which is why we got Brammal so late in the window.

I’m not saying our recruitment has been outstanding, I just think the Gary won’t spend money accusation is unfair.

Tbh I think the squad, apart from LWB is good. We’re just not playing anywhere near our potential.

Re: Cohen Brammall

I think it’s unfair to an extent.

I would say that last season will show a slight surplus and this season a surplus too. I think we’re living within our means because wages have been so high. It’s a laudable strategy but just not football unfortunately. Teams are overtaking us as a result.

At the same time, as I mentioned last weekend, no one has put their hand in their pocket other than stadium costs and Covid costs. We need investment on the pitch.

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by Floater <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Floater' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 14:01:10, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

Owen Dodgson looked a mean fucker. Disappointed we couldn't land him.

Re: Cohen Brammall

By all accounts, our failure to get him was based on geography.

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by StanBaker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=StanBaker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 18:01:05, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

It's seems a lot of our failures to sign potential signings suggested by media and posters are down to geography.
Players based in the NW get similar offers closer to home, while loaning clubs in the NW don't see the benefit of sending their players our scouts
further way than necessary.

Re: Cohen Brammall

If the financial package was right for the player and for Burnley, I'm sure geography wouldn't have come into it

Undone by Stockport FFS

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by old hat <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=old+hat' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 17:23:00, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

I can tell you categorically it was due to geography. Young player and his family preferring him nearer home.

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by HH <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=HH' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 20:09:02, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

Quick call to his agent

'would he come here?'

'Nah, he wants to stay up north.'

Cheers, fuck your client then'

And we go on to looking at perhaps someone else?

Maybe an up and coming left wing back from one of the abundance of PL clubs in the big fucking city 30 miles down the road who might want some first team action and where the Geography card might be in our favour?

Or were the options all summer literally just Dodgson or Bramhall?

It's a bit inexplicable.

Re: Cohen Brammall

Yep I'm sure if he was offered another 2 grand per week in wages by Luton he'd have stayed in the north

Or not

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by bbb <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=bbb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 17:24:10, in reply to "Re: Cohen Brammall"

PROVE IT

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by Findlay <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Findlay' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 13:49:10, in reply to "Cohen Brammall"

Yep, we used to sign players for the level above. Now it seems like the level below.

Re: Cohen Brammall

Posted by Kbot <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Kbot' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 24/8/2025, 13:49:09, in reply to "Cohen Brammall"

Says everything about our recruitment. No idea.

« Back to index

[ Luton Outlaws - The Avenue of Evil ]

Luton Outlaws - Independent Message Board for Luton Town FC