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So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?

Posted by Whhatter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Whhatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:23:24

Currently having an infusion for my Crohns at the L&D and got chatting to another fan earlier. We were discussing the best ever player to wear the shirt. He thinks it's Barkley but I said Ricky Hill. It's a bloody tough one, but I think the amount of times Hill played for us with his skill and effort just outweighs it.

Anyone else you would put up there??

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Posted by Fife Hatter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Fife+Hatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 22/8/2025, 4:50:45, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"
Come on England

If Frankety Dabo swapped shirts following play off then only one contender !!

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Posted by Madpig <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Madpig' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 19:50:55, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Graham French. Genius

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Posted by MkHat <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MkHat' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 18:30:39, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

I'd definitely add in Kingsley, Steve Walsh, Scott oakes, pembridge and JLV. Barclay was superb and one of the best I've seen in the modern era. Black had so much natural talent. The night pembridge came back in the cup for Derby and won the game was impressive. For sheer consistency and utter class hill would take it.

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Posted by E5 Hat <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=E5+Hat' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 16:19:41, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Ricky all day long, not only class but beats Ross as RH was a massive factor in us STAYING UP!

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Posted by RickyH <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=RickyH' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 16:06:36, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

1 Hill

Then the rest

Macdonald
Futcher
Walsh
Rioch
Moss
Stein
Donaghey

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Posted by Nev the bear <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Nev+the+bear' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 15:22:30, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

It depends on how far you go back the team of the fifties had many good players, Brown/Stocks teams were strong.Most Remember Pleat/Harford teams because of the success.Also Kenilworthroad pitches after the artificial surface,until more recent times,left a lot to be desired also priorto it.so it makes it difficult to compare players of different generations

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Posted by Andy Cappuccino <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Andy+Cappuccino' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 14:42:32, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Mal Donaghy, closely followed by Brian Stein, Mick Harford and Ricky Hill. You could argue MacDonald and Barkley were ahead but those performed at a high level over a sustained period.

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Posted by SAHB <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=SAHB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 13:41:25, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Ricky Hill no other contenders.
Best Defender clos between Mal and Futcher.
Mal wins it for versatility and longevity.

Best keeper close between Les Sealey and Aleksic
Sealey wins on his organisation skills, let's face his defenders did what he said. Loved his passion.

The journey leads you to the answers..

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Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 13:09:41, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

I'm not sure he was the "Best" player in any technical sense but Mick Harford was a fabulous player and hugely influential on how effective we looked overall.

For me starting at the end of the 70s it would have to be him or Hill. Hill takes the overall crown because of his longevity and long-term consistency with us.

However, on a per game basis Harford was at least as good in terms of contributing to how effective we looked overall.

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Posted by Cuba <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Cuba' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 13:02:31, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

For me it’s a player who you can instinctively tell they are supremely comfortable at the level you are watching, you enjoy watching them play game in game out and the team is/was weaker in their absence.

So for me that covers:

Hill
Stein B
Walsh
Harford
Preece
Donaghy
Pembridge
Wegerle
Steve Davis
Oakes
Heikks
Underwood
Howard
JLV
Andre Gray
JJ
Lockyer
Barkley
Keeley

Typically most above have or went onto play at a higher level or International football.

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Posted by Garstang Hatter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Garstang+Hatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 15:34:25, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

It's a bit early to be including Keeley in that company! Although he's had a promising start, and I hope it continues.

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Posted by deeuu <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=deeuu' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 13:02:10, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

An impossible question, as it’s ultimately subjective.

Without doubt, Barkley lifted an average team into a good one, given the quality of his teammates and the opposition. Despite his efforts, had we not suffered key injuries without quality replacements, the team would have stayed up — and he would have been the main reason.

Had Hill been around today, he would have left us young and gone on to play for one of Europe’s great clubs.

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Posted by Kbot <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Kbot' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:54:15, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

I’d have to say Bruce Rioch and Malcolm McDonald but I’m showing my age. Two personal heroes. Think others named were also pure class. Still also have a soft spot for Brian Lewis my first ever fav player.

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Posted by The Outsider <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=The+Outsider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:53:10, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"
VIP

Jack Charlton?

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Posted by Godders <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Godders' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:57:47, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Peter Beardsley (whilst playing for Everton when they wore our away kit in 1991). What a great player he was.

Nice to say hello to you the other night.

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Posted by The Outsider <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=The+Outsider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 13:15:05, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"
VIP

1991?

We didn't play Newcastle in 1991.

Beardsley left Newcastle for Liverpool in 1987 and joined Everton in 1991.

It was 1985.

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Posted by Godders <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Godders' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 13:55:50, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

When Everton wore our orange Umbro away shirts at Kenilworth Road. Thus Beardsley played for Everton but wore a Luton shirt. Everton's blue home shirt was considered too much of a clash with the blue batwings on our shirts.

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Posted by The Outsider <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=The+Outsider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 15:00:30, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"
VIP

Doh! Why did I read Everton as Newcastle. I'm well aware of the Everton "incident" and the reason - I was there - Jackson had only just moved to Everton.

Now I know that you're an admin with editing facilities

It hadn't registered with me before today that Beardsley was involved in both of those occasions - I feel fairly confident that he wasn't in the Mansfield team when it happened with them

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Posted by Godders <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Godders' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 16:46:20, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Live justly, love mercy, perpetuate generosity, walk humbly.

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Posted by The Outsider <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=The+Outsider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 13:05:14, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"
VIP

And you.

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Posted by NotaBene <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=NotaBene' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:50:38, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

All hail, glorious leader.

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Posted by NotaBene <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=NotaBene' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:52:25, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

PS Those are the pantones they should have gone for.

All hail, glorious leader.

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Posted by Farhat <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Farhat' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:44:53, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Ricky Hill
Mal Donaghy
Graham French
Ernie Simms
Pelly-Ruddock Mpanzu

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Posted by Brko's Bicycle $<iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Brko\'s+Bicycle' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on 21/8/2025, 12:36:46, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

I was too young to see Hill but just based on what I've heard, clips I've seen, and his record then you can't really compare Barkley to him.

Barkley played for us 32 times. After a slow start, he was supreme for a spell through the winter but couldn't do anything to stop our decline once Nakamba and Lokonga got injured, didn't turn up at the end of the season and was overall part of a team that got relegated quite comprehensively in hindsight.

I enjoyed watching Barkley play a lot but in truth his impact wasn't very significant overall.

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Posted by Godders <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Godders' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:54:13, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Decent post. Barkley not a patch on Hill in terms of longevity and consistency.

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Posted by Honey Badger <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Honey+Badger' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:26:09, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

1 Ross Barkley
2 Mick Harford
3 Ricky Hill
4 David Moss

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Posted by Whhatter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Whhatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:28:23, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

I'll admit some of the stuff Barkley did was hands down some of the best I've witnessed but Ricky was so consistent for many years.

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Posted by Honey Badger <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Honey+Badger' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 14:05:01, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Absolutely Ricky Hill over the years, just think Barkley is probably the best player I've seen for us.

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Posted by HeachamHatter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=HeachamHatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:40:49, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Exactly that.
Barkley had a great season but it’s a very small sample size.
Ricky was outstanding for 12 odd years for us Barkley is a career sicknote.
Hill closely followed by Harford for me.

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Posted by Buzzard <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Buzzard' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:25:26, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Ricky Hill for me. Done it year after year after year.

Absolute Rolls Royce footballer.

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Posted by bbb <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=bbb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:25:08, in reply to "So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

People could say other options other than Ricky Hill. They'd be wrong of course, but they're entitled to their opinion.

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Posted by jimmyp <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=jimmyp' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 14:02:17, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

It's Outlaws, mate. They're entitled to be as stupid and wrong as they see fit. Plus what BB says above.

COYH, Jim

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Posted by old hat <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=old+hat' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:36:19, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

1 Ricky Hill
2 Brian Stein for a few seasons unbelievable finisher
3 Malcolm MacDonald
4 Bruce Rioch
5. Ross Barkley
6. Peter Anderson

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Posted by Since57 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Since57' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:37:03, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Malcolm McDonald must be up there.

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Posted by Rioch for England <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Rioch+for+England' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:54:36, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

David Moss
Malcolm MacDonald
Brian Stein
Terry Branston
Steve Howard
Ricky Hill
Paul Futcher

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Posted by Since57 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Since57' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 12:56:52, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Gordon Turner our record goalscorer.

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Posted by Rioch for England <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Rioch+for+England' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 13:31:41, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Gordon Turner probably a bit too early for most of the posters on here but yes, agreed, an absolute Luton legend and prolific goalscorer over a long career with the club.

I remember buying my Subbuteo sets from Shanks and Turner in the 60s.

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Posted by Father Ted <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Father+Ted' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 13:11:22, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Ricky Hill,absolutely criminal he only got a few England caps. Robson fucked up massively early on, no Hill or Hoddle but Reid and Wilkins.

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Posted by Cotteridge Hatter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Cotteridge+Hatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 13:02:12, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Paul Futcher

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Posted by Bootin <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Bootin' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 13:13:06, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Ricky Hill all the way for me.

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Posted by Toast <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Toast' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 13:18:37, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Taylor and jean

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Posted by Jardine3 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Jardine3' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 14:33:15, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Bruce Rioch left us as a goal scoring number 10. Later became a box to box midfielder league championship winner with Derby. Scottish International when Scotland had an bonanza of midfielder talent. For me far and away our best ever player

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Posted by Alien Nate <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Alien+Nate' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 15:17:11, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

+1

.

Heaven's no closer than it was yesterday

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Posted by Whhatter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Whhatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 13:48:16, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Honourable mention for the great Wally Shanks. Absolutely loved that guy. I lived near the Brown Owl shop and always went in there for a sherbert dip and a packet of stickers, who always gave me a free pack and told me stories from his career.

Miss those days.

' Live for today, not for tommorow '

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Posted by FrednBob <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=FrednBob' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 22/8/2025, 7:03:26, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Wally at the Brown Owl:

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Posted by Whhatter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Whhatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 22/8/2025, 9:09:16, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Thanks for posting that mate, takes me right back.

' Live for today, not for tommorow '

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Posted by Round Green Hatter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Round+Green+Hatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 21/8/2025, 15:46:42, in reply to "Re: So who is the best player to ever wear the shirt?"

Preece and Barkley, however one played less than 40 games so the little wizard for me.

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