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    Fan PTSD and Depression

    Posted by PaddyHatter on 17/8/2025, 12:59:18

    I think we've all got a touch of it. I know I have. When that penalty missed at Wembley I seriously thought that was the end of our troubles on the pitch for a good decade ! Off the pitch it's never been rosier. Maybe it's true. You can't have your cake and eat it......

      Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

      Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 17/8/2025, 15:06:32, in reply to "Fan PTSD and Depression"

      No I'm not stressed or depressed about football

        Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

        Posted by RGDave on 17/8/2025, 14:10:28, in reply to "Fan PTSD and Depression"

        Most of us are fine. On Tuesday we'll stop poncing about from goal kicks, passing sideways at the back and in midfield and go for a High Press for 50-55 minutes, then bringing on the subs and attacking down the wings. It's really not that complicated.

          Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

          Posted by Well on 17/8/2025, 16:55:43, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

          Sounds good.

          Won’t happen of course.

          Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

          Posted by Kenny Powers on 17/8/2025, 13:10:02, in reply to "Fan PTSD and Depression"

          It used to be rosey off the pitch. The latest round of backroom staff departures, the relegations and our utterly shit recruitment paint a very different picture.

            Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

            Posted by PaddyHatter on 17/8/2025, 13:13:45, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

            Yes that bit of 'off the pitch' is far from rosey....I meant financial stability .

              Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

              Posted by Kenny Powers on 17/8/2025, 13:20:36, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

              How stable will it be if we don’t get promoted this season…?

                Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                Posted by crumpsall on 17/8/2025, 13:24:50, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"
                MIB

                Do you actually read the Trust programme notes and/or their report on finance review?

                All reproduced here and elsewhere.

                It would appear not....

                  Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                  Posted by The Questioner on 17/8/2025, 15:55:04, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                  I really admire you Crumpsall in that you support the club through thick and thin despite living a long way from Luton.I also like your positive attitude…..
                  However I lose faith in you being “balanced” when we once again have added more money to the coffers than we have spent despite being the wealthiest club in the division by some way.
                  I don’t believe the club is in the best shape when the ceo earns twice as much money as the players… you lefties get very cross with the ceo at Thames Water.

                    Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                    Posted by Well on 17/8/2025, 16:46:21, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                    I thought you believed in this behaviour?

                    I don’t for the record and never will.

                    I’ve made the point several times his bonus and wage are unacceptable.

                    In my opinion of course.

                      Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                      Posted by joey diconio on 17/8/2025, 16:32:14, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                      There are probably still a few players on 10k plus a week



                      Truth seeker / snide

                        Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                        Posted by The Questioner on 17/8/2025, 20:16:11, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                        Maybe but the last “salary “ we saw for the ceo was £1.3m…if he is below £500k now and not spending any money on players then fair dibs…but I suspect he isn’t ….which is also what you are suggesting!!

                          Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                          Posted by The Outsider on 17/8/2025, 16:38:37, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"
                          VIP

                          Also, without seeing the figures for that year, I suspect that, last season, the CEO didn't receive any bonus which made up a lot of the figure in the year before that which gets quoted as if that figure was just basic salary.

                            Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                            Posted by The Questioner on 17/8/2025, 20:16:55, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                            That’s fair enough …..I hope you are right.

                              Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                              Posted by joey diconio on 17/8/2025, 16:43:23, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                              Even without the “no Billy big bonus” average over the 5 seasons was £650,000 per annum or £12,500 a week



                              Truth seeker / snide

                                Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                Posted by The Questioner on 17/8/2025, 20:22:09, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                Hmm ….imo that’s a bit stinky…for a club in the third tier of English football.

                                  Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                  Posted by The Outsider on 17/8/2025, 23:31:26, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"
                                  VIP

                                  If that is the average for the last five seasons, none of them were in the third tier of English football.

                                  The figure for the year ended 31 May 2019, our last one at this level, was £263992. I'm not suggesting that that is what it will be this season as I have no idea of the figure, which I am sure will be higher than that, but whatever the figure is will have been decided by the remuneration committee.

                                    Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                    Posted by The Questioner on 18/8/2025, 7:16:05, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                    Thanks.
                                    Imo it should be higher than that as we are 6 years on but do you think he should be earning more than the best players?

                                      Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                      Posted by The Outsider on 18/8/2025, 8:20:23, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"
                                      VIP

                                      He isn't.

                                        Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                        Posted by The Questioner on 18/8/2025, 10:06:15, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                        If that is correct then fair enough.
                                        The info I have from agents ( so could be wrong)that we won’t have any players on more than 12.5k p/w so he needs to be on less than £650k for that to be correct.

                                        Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                        Posted by HH on 18/8/2025, 8:01:26, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                        I don't think he is.

                                        Last set of accounts, his salary was £1,096,000 vs total wage bill was £56.8m.

                                        So lots of players were on a lot more money than Sweet.

                                        The only year where this appears to have differed would have been the promotion season where his salary was £1.823,000 out of a wage bill of £27m. But I think that was probably justified, considering how extraordinary the achievement.

                                          Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                          Posted by The Questioner on 18/8/2025, 10:10:08, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                          The total wage bill I believe includes agents fees and of course the rest of the staff not just players .
                                          I am led to believe we had a few players on £25k p/w which is £1.3m….

                                            Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                            Posted by HH on 18/8/2025, 8:35:05, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                            As Joey's post has pointed out, I've got those figures wrong.

                                            £1.8m was the total director's remuneration - the highest paid director that year was £1.3

                                            Ditto £1.096m - should actually be 816k

                                              Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                              Posted by joey diconio on 18/8/2025, 8:16:51, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                              Yes his equaliser v Sunderland and penalty v Coventry were only really out done by the discount he got on ball point pens from Viking Direct.

                                              A “supporter” taking £1.3m out of their club is immoral



                                              Truth seeker / snide

                                                Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                                Posted by HH on 18/8/2025, 8:39:03, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                                Notwithstanding the debate on how moral it is, I was just pointing out that I don't think he is the highest paid person at the club, probably quite far from it.



                                          Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                          Posted by joey diconio on 17/8/2025, 21:32:38, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                          Might of course be less after relegations…



                                          Truth seeker / snide

                                          Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                          Posted by Farhat on 17/8/2025, 16:56:56, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                          Same.

                                      Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                      Posted by crumpsall on 17/8/2025, 16:04:02, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"
                                      MIB

                                      You don't know that the CEO is the best paid employee of the club. You definitely don't know that.

                                      And I suspect you know a deal less about our finances, and other clubs' finances, than you think you do.

                                      The Trust report is a fair guide, produced in line with 2020's finance bods (not GS)

                                        Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                        Posted by The Questioner on 17/8/2025, 20:20:21, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                        No I definitely don’t but my point is if the ceo is being paid more than our highest paid player then imo that’s wrong.

                                        I am only going on reported accounts to HMRC.

                                      Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                      Posted by Kenny Powers on 17/8/2025, 13:35:54, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                      I did actually. They didn’t really deal with a scenario where we bob around L1 mid table aimlessly for seasons spunking £10k+ pw on bang average ageing journeymen strikers.

                                        Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                        Posted by crumpsall on 17/8/2025, 14:43:40, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"
                                        MIB

                                        They clearly said that even a prolongued stay would still be sustainable.

                                        And I have no idea where you've got that £10k figure from.

                                        Are you another (there have been several already today) who has registered for this board today purely to have a go at the club?

                                        Would you happen to have a fat mate who is agitating against Sweet all over the place?

                                          Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                          Posted by Kenny Powers on 17/8/2025, 15:40:54, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                          I’m none of those things pal. I’ve been reading and contributing - very rarely - to this board for donkeys years. Been enjoying the ride. Loved what we’ve stood for and what Nathan and his team built. Now very worried. You can’t just shoot everyone down for voicing valid concerns.

                                          The strategy and identity have gone. We’re basically Stoke without the bank roll. Taken to the cleaners by agents and other clubs and no real plan in place it seems. Can’t see how that’s sustainable whatever they ‘say’.

                                            Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                            Posted by The Outsider on 17/8/2025, 15:52:39, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"
                                            VIP

                                            I can't comment on your previous history on here but this shows that you only registered under this name today.

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                                              Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                              Posted by Kenny Powers on 17/8/2025, 16:20:09, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                              Well played brains

                                                Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                                Posted by Farhat on 17/8/2025, 16:43:31, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                                Fuck off back to Facebook you fucking twat.

                                              Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                              Posted by The Questioner on 17/8/2025, 15:56:23, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                              You are on here often to recognise his name from the past.

                                              Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                              Posted by crumpsall on 17/8/2025, 15:51:37, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"
                                              MIB

                                              That's a very bleak outlook, can see how you've got there though.

                                              The second paragraph makes absolutely zero sense to me

                                                Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                                Posted by Kenny Powers on 17/8/2025, 16:19:39, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                                For another time. I’m 4 pints in!

                                          Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                          Posted by PaddyHatter on 17/8/2025, 14:11:04, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                          In the words of the great MIck Harford "promotion (to the PL) has secured the club for years to come). We really did win the lottery that day ! Along with the gifted land to the club from Mr Watson-Challis we're finally 'safe'.

                                            Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                            Posted by Kenny Powers on 17/8/2025, 14:26:38, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                            Safe? Really?

                                              Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                              Posted by The Outsider on 17/8/2025, 14:17:55, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"
                                              VIP

                                              Along with the gifted land to the club from Mr Watson-Challis

                                              What land was that?

                                                Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                                Posted by PaddyHatter on 17/8/2025, 14:16:13, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                                ps - by 'gifting' I mean selling at a v good price....

                                                  Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                                  Posted by The Outsider on 17/8/2025, 14:18:56, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"
                                                  VIP

                                                  I didn't refresh before posting my reply so missed this comment.

                                                    Re: Fan PTSD and Depression

                                                    Posted by PaddyHatter on 17/8/2025, 14:41:22, in reply to "Re: Fan PTSD and Depression"

                                                    No worries. You're right to 'fact check' Outsider !

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