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Wednesday will be fine eventually, some rich fool will buy them, they will overspend after the takeover and fans will love it, Morecambe being a smaller club will probably have to restart.
some rich fool will buy them, they will overspend after the takeover and fans will love it,
Indeed. And then, if they don't reach the Prem, the overspending will come back to haunt them again and the fans, having cheered on the overspending, will wonder what the fuck happened
Most Wednesday fans I know are very down to earth and realistic about where they are in the grand scheme of things, after the last 10 years of mismanagement, and the 15 years of bouncing around L1 and the Championship, before then. They've wanted Chansiri out for over 5 years, but the lunatic refuses to lower his ridiculous asking price of £100 million.
Also, a bit rich after the relentless comments on here and twitter for the last year about how 2020 are clueless, all of a sudden, because they don't spend enough money.
Also, a bit rich after the relentless comments on here and twitter for the last year about how 2020 are clueless, all of a sudden, because they don't spend enough money.
2 things:
1) I can't control what other Luton fans say or think so that has no bearing on my opinion at all. Besides, it isn't a binary choice - it's not either a) spunk money irresponsibly or b) spend fuck all. There is an in-between
2) Sheff Wed fans were lauding Chansiri as a hero when he first took them over in 2015. Why? Because he spent shit loads of money
And now Sheff Wed fans, having cheered on the gamble, are suffering the consequences of that spend and failure to go up to the Prem
Reading fans the same - cheering on the previous regime while they overspent and then moaning that they landed in the shit
Derby too
Fans can't have it both ways. Either accept the overspend gamble might still result in failure, potentially landing you in financial trouble, or don't encourage it and cheer it on
But the point i was picking up on is that someone will always be around to buy the likes of Wednesday but less so Morecambe because hey are a small and relatively insignificant. You're very uninformed likely to get a rich Arabian oil baron wanting to invest in them - although most right minded fans would see that as a blessing.
Lots of fans thought the money would fall out of the game. Hasn't happened yet and feels more distant than ever for the top tier clubs. The regulator will make a difference but come too late for these two clubs. The future of football should not fall to the richest clubs to dictate.
Given the financial fair play rules introduced by the big teams (such that even Newcastle, with the backing of a state and Champions League football to encourage players to come to them, can’t compete) that boat has already sailed. We can only hope that the footballer regulator may have more control to help the smaller teams, such as Morecambe, in the future.
It leaves us, I'd the rest of the pyramid with far more level playing field. It isn't level and will remain skewed towards the latest big clubs that are left such as West ham, Leeds, Villa etc.
But the TV money will collapse without the top 6 or 7 clubs. How would we pay for the stadium debt without the current income streams from TV?
If we didn't have a new ground to fund (and needing to service the debt incurred from that build), I wouldn't be so bothered. As I say I don't disagree with the idea of them just fucking off but, practically, we need to be careful what we wish for at the moment
*not that the super league will happen for at least a decade anyway. If at all
Surely the big thing that would collapse would be player salaries. Luton would have a stadium that would host football games and someone would need to market if properly to maximise revenue. I full stadium is a full stadium; I don’t need to pay 8x the price because carlos kickaball earns £2.5k per week (£125k pa) or 20k per week (£1m pa). Other events would take place in and around the stadium just as they are now.
We’ve got third division footballers earning in excess of a million pounds a year. That’s preposterous. And for all the “short career” thing that justifies is; bullshit. If you don’t like it, get a job in an office or in a trade now then and can the footballing. I’m sure 33-36 year olds can start a new career and do regularly.
The money goes to players, agents and swills around clubs with over inflated transfer fees. Sometimes clubs are robbed by unscrupulous owners. Yeh only thing that would come of bursting the balloon in the medium terms is people would get paid something more aligned to the real world and clubs would be at a lower risk of getting fleeced. Esp if you can protect the land they sit on, shouldn’t be too difficult for govt to do that.
Surely the big thing that would collapse would be player salaries. Luton would have a stadium that would host football games and someone would need to market if properly to maximise revenue. I full stadium is a full stadium; I don’t need to pay 8x the price because carlos kickaball earns £2.5k per week (£125k pa) or 20k per week (£1m pa). Other events would take place in and around the stadium just as they are now.
We’ve got third division footballers earning in excess of a million pounds a year. That’s preposterous. And for all the “short career” thing that justifies is; bullshit. If you don’t like it, get a job in an office or in a trade now then and can the footballing. I’m sure 33-36 year olds can start a new career and do regularly.
The money goes to players, agents and swills around clubs with over inflated transfer fees. Sometimes clubs are robbed by unscrupulous owners. Yeh only thing that would come of bursting the balloon in the medium terms is people would get paid something more aligned to the real world and clubs would be at a lower risk of getting fleeced. Esp if you can protect the land they sit on, shouldn’t be too difficult for govt to do that.
Surely the big thing that would collapse would be player salaries. Luton would have a stadium that would host football games and someone would need to market if properly to maximise revenue. I full stadium is a full stadium; I don’t need to pay 8x the price because carlos kickaball earns £2.5k per week (£125k pa) or 20k per week (£1m pa). Other events would take place in and around the stadium just as they are now.
We’ve got third division footballers earning in excess of a million pounds a year. That’s preposterous. And for all the “short career” thing that justifies is; bullshit. If you don’t like it, get a job in an office or in a trade now then and can the footballing. I’m sure 33-36 year olds can start a new career and do regularly.
The money goes to players, agents and swills around clubs with over inflated transfer fees. Sometimes clubs are robbed by unscrupulous owners. Yeh only thing that would come of bursting the balloon in the medium terms is people would get paid something more aligned to the real world and clubs would be at a lower risk of getting fleeced. Esp if you can protect the land they sit on, shouldn’t be too difficult for govt to do that.
I agree with pretty much all that - as long as the stadium is paid for
If we're servicing a big debt because of the stadium build, then the collapse in TV money will hit us very hard
As I say, it's a moot point really as the super league won't happen for at least a decade... if it happens at all
But even if the stadium debt isn't a thing to worry about, then you still have the more intangible issue of the value of winning leagues without Liverpool, United, Arsenal in them (not that we'd have to worry about that even in a reset world)
Any Euro League should be built with jeopardy too. The 2 bottom-placed English, Spanish, German, etc sides gets relegated back into their domestic league no matter how high in the league they finish - a domestic competition within a European competition
I’m not sure tbh. I quite like the idea of them just fcking off and closing the trap door.
Whilst the potential to some sort of intergalactic promised land is there, the current problems with overspend won’t go away. I also think that their breakaway would be weaker in the long run without the jeopardy, and you can’t force people to embrace something they fundamentally don’t want or understand (as the new breed of owners won’t).
Agree on the tv money. But if the international leagues produce a product that isn’t of interest to the domestic viewer, I don’t see it would be hugely affected from the situation now. I doubt div 2 or div 3 are massively in demand in the USA and Thailand. So the value is domestic, as it is now - so I can’t see a big change I led I’m being naive - which is possible. If 2020 financed the stadium on the assumption we would get premier league tv £ I’d be very surprised. That was a nice bonus to our most important of projects.
If we never plan Man U again but I can dream of being champions of England (or even know that it’s not preposterously loaded dice at the top of our tree) whilst they are off eating themselves in China, I can live with that.
If we never plan Man U again but I can dream of being champions of England (or even know that it’s not preposterously loaded dice at the top of our tree) whilst they are off eating themselves in China, I can live with that.
If we could treat one of the big 6 in isolation like that, it wouldn't bother me either. It would be a shame not to play any of the top 6 ever again, though.
That would leave the biggest domestic game we could look forward to being a Villa or an Everton or, if we're looking at things on a more insular basis, Watford if we're both in the top flight together
Doesn't 'feel' great to me that. Although, if that ever became a reality it might actually be much better than it sounds
Regarding the jeopardy of relegation from a super league. I'm in 2 minds. On one hand it could encourage real meaningful competition at the top end of the English pyramid and therefore increase the TV revenue because of the interest in that. But then that, over time, will create the same problems we have now. It would also be very hard to administer.
Fuck it. On balance let them fuck off for good. After all, and on the other hand, with no relegation there must surely come a time when people just get bored of the same old week in week out, season in season. Let them rot in their own cesspit of greed, entitlement and the illusion of power.
Regarding the jeopardy of relegation from a super league. I'm in 2 minds. On one hand it could encourage real meaningful competition at the top end of the English pyramid and therefore increase the TV revenue because of the interest in that. But then that, over time, will create the same problems we have now. It would also be very hard to administer.
I agree. It will present a myriad of problems and, as Hatsworth and you say, maybe millions will be turned off by a league that has no jeopardy at the bottom of it and a load of meaningless games.
Trouble is hype, loyalty to brand-clubs and celeb footballers will probably just override that. I can't see too many people in Thailand and S Korea being worried that Inter Milan v Chelsea might be a completely meaningless fixture near the bottom of the euro super-duper league. They'll still tune in and boost the TV ratings
This is it exactly. What’s left behind for us and the others. Can barely get a decent highlights package on terrestrial Tv for the highlights as it is , no one is going to pay a fraction of what clubs get now to show football league games
I disagree. I think there is and will continue to be a market for a highlights package for the rest of the PL and EFL. It won't generate anything like the income with the glory boys but there are clubs with huge fan bases such as Leeds and West Ham (as I've already mentioned) wgo won't be in any super league. Some broadcaster will want to tap into that market for advertisement revenue if nothing else.
A prem without the big 6 or 7 won't have the global (or domestic) interest it currently has and therefore won't generate the TV money that the Prem currently does. Nowhere near
There will be a domestic market but that will be nowhere near as big. I don't think the demand generated by the fanbases of West Ham, Leeds and Villa will help get anywhere near what the Prem is currently getting in from TV rights
If a Super League happens, there will be a competitive reset in England but that revenue will have just collapsed. The big clubs won't stop at Europe either - next it'll be a global league
The drive for extra revenue will never stop. And the sport will just turn in to a bunch of global brands playing each other
We are a long, long way from a Super League. Even when the last one was mooted the English clubs had no intention of leaving the Premier League. It's the richest league in the world, they're not going to gamble that away.
What will happen is the continued chipping away of things the top clubs don't like. Probably a reduction in how many teams can be promoted to the PL. More stringent financial 'fair play' rulings to make it harder for clubs like Newcastle to break into the very top rung of teams. More Champions League games. Maybe even B teams in the pyramid.
But none of this is the reason Morecambe and Wednesday are in trouble. That's just bad ownership, which has always happened. If the PL gave them an extra £5m a year it wouldn't make a difference.
Can't come quick enough for me, but they'll just keep making the incredibly boring champions League bigger and longer. The novelty and cost of fans travelling all over Europe will soon wear off.
modern football is terrible and immoral - scum at the top creaming off huge profits, wasters sitting on the bench for £100k per week, players accused of all sorts still getting picked on a Saturday (I could go on). I appreciate that Luton try to do things the right way but ultimately we are in a pool full of sharks. I really hope when the inevitable NFL takeover happens of the EPL all the parasites can go and play for Man U in New York!
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