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What grinds my gears…

Posted by Hatsworth <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Hatsworth' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 11:38:00

… is someone on Facebook, the vibe on here is sometimes the same, who has said that 2020 won the lottery when we got promoted to the Premier League, and the implications is that they are now not sharing that good fortune with the people who really deserve it, the fans.

That is bullsh!t. I’ve never run a football club, not least one that was in the non-league and got to the Premier League. But what I do know with absolute certainty is that 2020 put in an enormous amount of money at their own risk, worked unbelievably hard (I’m also aware that marriages were lost and so on), the sort of effort that I personally simply could not give. There is no such thing as luck, and even if there wasn’t it.

Yes, some of the communication has been reserved, but I have also never had to manage a complete clear out of rotten playing staff from a football club relegated twice in two seasons with players on contracts that are miles and miles and miles above what place should be paid at the level those players have put us at. The way that football debt works, I would imagine that sorting out this mess is unfathomably hard. And I also believe that they will be doing it.

So yes, we got relegated twice in 2 years. It’s happened to other clubs including wolves and Sunderland. They are not crooked very very clearly, and they are doing things and taking a responsibilities for which I and always will be very grateful as merely a supporter.

So ask decent questions, perish the thought offer to actually help; but back them, or when we do next get promoted and/or we have a great time going into the new stadium, don’t come.

Rant over.

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Posted by Fishing Hat <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Fishing+Hat' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 12:55:33, in reply to "What grinds my gears…"

'Clear out the rotten playing staff ' Who employed them in the first place ?!!
GS's arrogance cost us our relegation, he has become an embarrassment.

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Posted by Zobra The Greek <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Zobra+The+Greek' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 14:37:36, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"

So GS should never have sanctioned the signings of Bell, Morris, Doughty, and Burke?

Pretty sure we wouldn’t have made it to the PL without them.

The OP, I think, meant that the players had gone rotten after relegation.

You’re talking guff.

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Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 13:19:11, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"
Sarah

He's not arrogant

Legend

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Posted by bbb <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=bbb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 13:23:42, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"

PROVE IT

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Posted by joey diconio <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=joey+diconio' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 12:22:32, in reply to "What grinds my gears…"

all the “problems” GS and 2020 are currently facing are self inflicted, and I have very little sympathy for anyone up there on the padded seat.

Treat your supporters like adults and with a modicum of respect and you’ll quieten the dissenters fairly rapidly. (Along with winning the odd game)

I just genuinely don’t think they could care less about the normal supporters, it’s their club we’re thicko customers who simply wouldn’t understand or be able to cope if they were actually honest and open.

Truth seeker / snide

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Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 13:19:57, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"
Sarah

To be fair your a hateful idiot

Legend

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Posted by Andy Cappuccino <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Andy+Cappuccino' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 13:29:00, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"

Hope your employer isn't aware of how much time you spend on here

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Posted by crumpsall <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=crumpsall' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 14:22:21, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"
MIB

Seriously? That's a horrible echo of the past from a poster who was utterly despicable in that way.

He was a foul old twat: same person?

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Posted by J in C <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=J+in+C' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 14:09:02, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"
Sarah

At home this week due to decorator and floor being laid

However shows what a snide you are

Legend

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Posted by Bugle loo <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Bugle+loo' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 13:38:34, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"

He’s employed??

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Posted by TheDunstableWindsock <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=TheDunstableWindsock' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 12:24:07, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"

Bloody hell.

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Dramatic isn’t it

Truth seeker / snide

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You're crass overreaction certainly is.

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I’d have never though “treat your supporters with respect” would be a radical viewpoint

Truth seeker / snide

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Your! Ffs.

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Posted by Wessex <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Wessex' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 12:13:20, in reply to "What grinds my gears…"

Wolves and Sunderland were utter basket cases at the time. Whereas we were supposed to be ethical and well run, and in the best financial position in our history.
Last season was the most embarrassing in our history given the finances available.

Only dead fish swim with the tide.

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Posted by M_A_T <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=M_A_T' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 12:04:26, in reply to "What grinds my gears…"

Spot on ....

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Posted by Macatacanski <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Macatacanski' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 12:04:22, in reply to "What grinds my gears…"

It also grinds my gears

They messed up the comms, they are a bit of a cagey closed shop, but some social media posts are utterly crazy

Rant over

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Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 11:55:54, in reply to "What grinds my gears…"

Accusing 2020 of being on that take is a fucking joke. Best owners we've ever had

Launching witch hunts against individuals - that's shite

Constructively criticising and asking pertinent questions - it's the duty of any fanbase of any club

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Posted by BoydCrowdersCollar <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=BoydCrowdersCollar' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 12:20:42, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"

I think there's two concurrent things going on

1. The comments on social media are getting more outlandish "Luton 2020 care more about building the stadium so they can own property around it and generate shit ton of money for themselves. Club's success is now secondary"

2. Fuck ups are being leapt on as conspiracy - the LL statement and WhatsApp group started after Doughty Gate - has messages in there questioning "the actions of a Non cash investor (who was gifted those shares) who is the clubs highest paying non playing employee. I think the Doughty stuff was handled terribly, but it feels link it's leaning towards getting very bitter and personal - and it's only fucking football

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Posted by The Outsider <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=The+Outsider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 12:53:46, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"
VIP

the clubs highest paying non playing employee.

Matt Bloomfield?

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Posted by The Questioner <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=The+Questioner' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 23:06:40, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"

Unless GS has taken a significant cut then I doubt Matt is.

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Posted by crumpsall <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=crumpsall' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 13:30:51, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"
MIB

👏👏

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Quite. I wasn't sure on that one either.

The mildly amusing thing was that the next message on the thread, telling everyone to chill as little, came from "Gary"

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Exactly. 2020 have made mistakes. They're not perfect. But they are fans and working fucking hard on trying to sort the mess we're in. Sometimes that means they still get it wrong. That also doesn't mean they're not learning from the past. They have git the club's best interests at heart and anyone who can't see that is thick as pig shit.

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Posted by Nearly a Genius <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Nearly+a+Genius' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 13:42:01, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"
Legend of Outlaws

Spot on

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They have got the club's best interests at heart

Agree. It's not the what that's up for debate but. sometimes, the how

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Posted by RADSB <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=RADSB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 12:25:16, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"

On the constructive criticism front, a hard headed non fan in some senior capacity at the club would have helped. Looking at the facts without the emotional attachment may have seen JS and RE go sooner. Other decisions, on the Commercial side for instance, may well have been taken sooner if such a person existed.

On a general note - if you are fraying at the edges then the decision making process is often flawed. Asking for help is a sign of strength, not weakness. It's important to know your limits or have someone to tell you AND listen to them.

Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

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Couldn't agree more. Nicely put

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Agree with that too. It's like politics (maybe not a great example) but people wanting the best thing for the nation but differ as somewhat the best things are and what the priorities should be. This will go way over too many people though.

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Yep, good analogy

Like work, too. A colleague and I might agree on the overall aim of whatever-it-might-be but disagree on how to achieve that aim

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👍

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Posted by Q <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Q' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 12:05:12, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"

That would be true, but it doesn't look good when one of the directors is buying up pubs near PC, ready for the day it's a goldmine. Nothing to see there, but reads so badly.

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Posted by EastEnder <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=EastEnder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 13:07:54, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"

Why is that a bad thing?

Would you prefer them to close down & thererefore there be nowhere for fans to drink except the stadium?

Most club's fans would say that's a positive.

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Posted by HeachamHatter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=HeachamHatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 12:33:44, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"

You get 1 home game every other week,roughly.
You’d be pretty foolish to think you’ve got a “goldmine” because of PC on that basis.

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Posted by PaddyHatter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=PaddyHatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 12:20:29, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"

Anyone could've done that though . Glad it's one of the Directors making the move.

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Posted by crumpsall <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=crumpsall' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 12:08:35, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"
MIB

What???

Who and what pubs?

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*the take

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Posted by HH <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=HH' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 11:49:41, in reply to "What grinds my gears…"

I think this is broadly fair and I get where you’re coming from. 2020 absolutely deserve huge credit for what they’ve done, nobody flukes their way from the Conference to the PL.

But the flip side is also true: you don’t get back-to-back relegations by accident. That’s not “just football” or bad luck, it’s the result of choices made (or not made), on and off the pitch.

The Wolves and Sunderland examples are valid but also important to remember they both changed ownership soon after their back to back relegations and their fans were protesting against their owners.

Obviously, I'm not calling for 2020 to go, far, far from it, they've plenty of credit in the bank and the last two seasons doesn't even come close to outweighing their achievements.

I do still think they’ll get it right again, they’ve earned the chance to. But the last few days have felt like a bit of a mess, and if there has been pressure on a journalist to change their story, then that’s just really, really fucking weird.

There are a few prize dicks about who are probably best ignored on facebook and twitter. I think most on here don't want new owners, and 100% back them whilst holding them to account. And I don’t think those two things are mutually exclusive.

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Posted by Hatters88 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Hatters88' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 12:43:25, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"

yup pretty much agree, out of interest when was the last time we had new executive members on the board? Is it just a case of needing fresh voices/ideas, this happens to all successful business's, the need to continue evolving.

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+1.

Isn't that pretty much what the OP was saying 🤔

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Posted by Not a Doughnut <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Not+a+Doughnut' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 11:47:20, in reply to "What grinds my gears…"

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Posted by Whhatter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Whhatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 11:54:35, in reply to "Re: What grinds my gears…"

' Live for today, not for tommorow '

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