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What I see
Posted by Farhat on 29/7/2025, 10:20:46
happening between on the green, and the pissed-knickers of the Outlaws doughnuts* are so far apart, they might as well be be in different universes.
It's as if the doughnuts* are wanting us to lose on Friday so they can explode in their self-righteousness, and I'm far from convinced that a) they're actually Luton supporters, and b) some are just shit-stirrers perhaps chasing their own agenda.
*I do not include long-time Outlaws with proper concerns amongst the doughnuts.
Re: What I see
Posted by Whhatter on 29/7/2025, 11:45:44, in reply to "What I see"
I would never, ever wish my team to lose. It goes against the grain of being a supporter. Its the same when it comes to booing players, never got that either .Stick with your team at all times. We can all get angry now and again but to wish the club fail is downright wrong.
Regarding 2020 there does need to be more transparency and the recent media issues with regards to Doughty isn't what should be coming out of a football club. There are issues at the club which need addressing but as long as we see success on the pitch that would be a great start to allow us to just forget the last 1 1/2 years.
' Live for today, not for tommorow '
Re: What I see
Posted by pingu on 29/7/2025, 10:52:06, in reply to "What I see"
there are people attempting to derail the club.
stand too within the trench…..
Re: What I see
Posted by Whhatter on 29/7/2025, 12:01:52, in reply to "Re: What I see"
As someone who doesn't do social media, is it really that bad? I think on here that we can all cope with each other as we wouldn't come back here if we didn't.
There are always going to be differing opinions but we have pretty much learnt to take it for what it is and not take things seriously. I love this club, and yes I've said some things in the past but Outlaws is moreso a place for venting.
There are much worse things in life to deal with, some which I've experienced as of late so now I just get on with it.
' Live for today, not for tommorow '
Re: What I see
Posted by Music Critic on 29/7/2025, 10:59:45, in reply to "Re: What I see"
The club has de-railed itself the last 2 years or so. Self-sabotage
I'm hoping to see it get back on the rails and go back to what we were. Go back to what worked so well cos something isn't right
Re: What I see
Posted by TheDunstableWindsock on 29/7/2025, 12:13:08, in reply to "Re: What I see"
But surely not deliberately as your post infers?
Re: What I see
Posted by Music Critic on 29/7/2025, 12:15:50, in reply to "Re: What I see"
I didn't mean to infer that
I don't think it's deliberate, no
Re: What I see
Posted by jimmyp on 29/7/2025, 16:09:32, in reply to "Re: What I see"
FOR FUCK'S SAKE, 'INFER' DOES NOT MEAN 'IMPLY'
COYH, Jim
Re: What I see
Posted by J in C on 29/7/2025, 11:08:11, in reply to "Re: What I see" Sarah
I disagree
The club was not ready for PL or the guff that came with it.The money was great but needed managing Lessons learned etc.
No fan has a god given right to the ins and out of everything.
Judge on the history not the last 5 minutes ( metaphore )Legend
Re: What I see
Posted by Whhatter on 29/7/2025, 11:49:13, in reply to "Re: What I see"
If we had invested in new players in January 2024 I think we would have stayed in the PL. We gave some big teams a scare, but just couldn't hold on for 3 points in many games and had to settle for a draw or even worse, a loss.
Unless you are a 'big' club the financial reward us probably the biggest reward for promotion.' Live for today, not for tommorow '
Re: What I see
Posted by Farhat on 29/7/2025, 13:39:31, in reply to "Re: What I see"
We beat Brighton 4-0 on deadline day then followed up with a 4-4 draw at Newcastle. The future looked fine.
Re: What I see
Posted by bbb on 29/7/2025, 11:17:04, in reply to "Re: What I see"
As many said at the time, they could and should have brought people in with PL experience off the pitch to help then.
2020 have been amazing but the last couple of years, they've got alot wrong. We keep hearing they're learning from their mistakes etc yet nothing changes.
Is it 17 years now? Yet they still run a Beazer Homes league club shop. Surely that's basics?
Re: What I see
Posted by Music Critic on 29/7/2025, 11:21:40, in reply to "Re: What I see"
Yep. I'm droning on from a position of wanting 2020 to do well. They've been superb. I want them to succeed - not just for the sake of us winning some games of football but for them as a group
But a double relegation and some of the other stuff suggests that things need to change. And if something is concerning, aren't we allowed to raise concerns anymore?
Re: What I see
Posted by EastEnder on 29/7/2025, 11:27:45, in reply to "Re: What I see"
Thing is in Conference we worked ourselves up into a frenzy about each Manager.
Look at way Harford was hounded out? Does anyone seriously think he wouldn't have got promotion within 5 fucking seasons?
Now the frenzy is against the CEO, not the Manafger.
Re: What I see
Posted by Music Critic on 29/7/2025, 11:31:45, in reply to "Re: What I see"
Where have I ever singled out our CEO? 2020 is a collective. They succeed or fail as a collective. At least, I thought they were
I have a pop at the organisation, not individuals
Re: What I see
Posted by EastEnder on 29/7/2025, 11:34:26, in reply to "Re: What I see"
Not you, but there is a frenzy building-up in certain quarters, not against the rest of 2020, just G.
Re: What I see
Posted by bbb on 29/7/2025, 11:40:09, in reply to "Re: What I see"
He doesn't help himself at times.
That said, all of 2020 have enough in the bank, they've earned the respect but certain things have to change and change quickly as I reckon we're only a shit start to the season away from it turning a bit ugly.
Re: What I see
Posted by Music Critic on 29/7/2025, 11:38:57, in reply to "Re: What I see"
Ok, fair enough. As I said to MG, I don't go on social media anymore so am not aware
If there's a witch-hunt that's a bit shit. And unconstructive and unhelpful
Re: What I see
Posted by Whhatter on 29/7/2025, 11:40:26, in reply to "Re: What I see"
Same here MC, never had social media and never will. ' Live for today, not for tommorow '
Re: What I see
Posted by TheDunstableWindsock on 29/7/2025, 12:18:03, in reply to "Re: What I see"
Klaxon!!!!
Outlaws is social media ffs!!!!!
Re: What I see
Posted by joey diconio on 29/7/2025, 12:13:22, in reply to "Re: What I see"
I don’t want to upset you, but this is social media Truth seeker / snide
Re: What I see
Posted by Whhatter on 29/7/2025, 14:52:50, in reply to "Re: What I see"
Sorry I meant the likes of FB, X and the like. ' Live for today, not for tommorow '
Re: What I see
Posted by Melbourne Hat on 29/7/2025, 11:23:15, in reply to "Re: What I see"
+1
Re: What I see
Posted by Zobra The Greek on 29/7/2025, 11:11:14, in reply to "Re: What I see"
Probably your best ever post
Re: What I see
Posted by HH on 29/7/2025, 11:21:49, in reply to "Re: What I see"
Is it?
Two years ago we were being praised (largely by ourselves) as the best-run club in the country.
Now we’re rewriting the narrative to say we “weren’t ready" for top flight football. As though that somehow explains last season's fuck up in a division we were very well established in.
Re: What I see
Posted by pingu on 29/7/2025, 11:09:00, in reply to "Re: What I see"
FORZA J in C
Re: What I see
Posted by J in C on 29/7/2025, 11:11:32, in reply to "Re: What I see" Sarah
Awww shucksLegend
Re: What I see
Posted by EastEnder on 29/7/2025, 11:03:31, in reply to "Re: What I see"
But still closer to a new stadium than at any point in history.
Re: What I see
Posted by Music Critic on 29/7/2025, 11:10:35, in reply to "Re: What I see"
I have always differentiated between on-pitch (lets' face it, it's been shite) and off-pitch (great)
Re: What I see
Posted by pingu on 29/7/2025, 11:01:49, in reply to "Re: What I see"
£hit happens, life of a sports fan. it doesnt need people in the shadows pushing it off the cliff.
Re: What I see
Posted by Music Critic on 29/7/2025, 11:09:17, in reply to "Re: What I see"
There is no way we should have got relegated last season. Complacency set in. Things drifted (on the green anyway) without a plan/strategy/etc
Has the club changed, enough, in the face of that huge failure to ensure we get back on track? Time will tell
I honestly believe that most people are still well behind 2020 and rightly so. But, if there is one thing Luton fans have been good at for decades, it is 'keeping them peeled'. Nothing wrong with that
Re: What I see
Posted by J in C on 29/7/2025, 11:10:38, in reply to "Re: What I see" Sarah
Peeled on 2020 why Legend
Re: What I see
Posted by Music Critic on 29/7/2025, 11:16:03, in reply to "Re: What I see"
Who watches the Watchmen?
Re: What I see
Posted by J in C on 29/7/2025, 11:32:38, in reply to "Re: What I see" Sarah
It's called trust and I see no reason not to trust.
Legend
Re: What I see
Posted by Q on 29/7/2025, 11:38:33, in reply to "Re: What I see"
Someone once said 'Trust no one'.
And anyway, lots of people on this board make things up and yet no one asks the people who were actually on the 2020 Board until a few months ago.
I think we prefer making things up tbh.
Re: What I see
Posted by Music Critic on 29/7/2025, 11:34:30, in reply to "Re: What I see"
I trust lots of people. Doesn't mean they don't get things (badly) wrong sometimes
Re: What I see
Posted by pingu on 29/7/2025, 11:37:12, in reply to "Re: What I see"
and when they do, we accept it and assist.
we dont go on rampages to single good men out.
(which is happening/ about to happen)
Re: What I see
Posted by Music Critic on 29/7/2025, 11:39:46, in reply to "Re: What I see"
Maybe some people have offered to help and that help is refused
Re: What I see
Posted by Q on 29/7/2025, 11:39:25, in reply to "Re: What I see"
See above...
Re: What I see
Posted by pingu on 29/7/2025, 10:52:39, in reply to "Re: What I see"
to*
Re: What I see
Posted by EastEnder on 29/7/2025, 10:26:53, in reply to "What I see"
Some people genuinely hope for a defeat on Friday so they can try and ramp up their Sweet out campaign, i reckon.
Re: What I see
Posted by Trigger on 29/7/2025, 10:28:54, in reply to "Re: What I see"
They will strenuously deny it, but for some I also think it is on their agenda.
Re: What I see
Posted by Kurious Oranj on 29/7/2025, 10:26:27, in reply to "What I see"
We are a club in transition. Simple as that.
Trouble is, with social media and blanket coverage of football, we are now ALL experts in football management; being an agent, being a player, being club ceo, being socials manager for the club, a 25 goal a season talent scout. The reality is we are not.
Well said Farhat, let's back the team and be a club. Now is not the time to boo hoo in public....
Re: What I see
Posted by Carrolls Elbow on 29/7/2025, 10:34:36, in reply to "Re: What I see"
I agree KO.
We’ve modernised a lot over the last 10 years, training facilities etc. New stadium is a next thing on the list.
Unfortunately, our success to the PL meant we had to move too fast and we weren’t sophisticated enough to do that (kits, online packages etc).
If we can get a winning season, which I believe we can, then we can hopefully get back to making steady progress again.
Re: What I see
Posted by Zobra The Greek on 29/7/2025, 10:30:51, in reply to "Re: What I see"
Great post
Re: What I see
Posted by Ostrich spotter on 29/7/2025, 10:26:13, in reply to "What I see"
The pissed-knicker wearing doughnuts called it right last season even though the squad appeared to have enough about it to challenge strongly in the Championship. Perhaps, the pissed-knicker wearing doughnuts removed their rose tinted glasses sometimes ago?
You surely do not seriously think anyone wants us to lose on Friday? Surely it is more a case of not wanting to repeat recent mistakes as that would be completely inexcusable
Re: What I see
Posted by Ronnies Finger on 29/7/2025, 11:11:57, in reply to "Re: What I see"
If you have read this board regularly, especially in the last 4 to 5 months, you must be incredibly stupid not to believe that some do want us to lose, simply to be posting five minutes after the whistle with their little “ told you so “ smug self righteous comments.
Re: What I see
Posted by J in C on 29/7/2025, 10:29:24, in reply to "Re: What I see" Sarah
How about the recent success Legend
Re: What I see
Posted by J in C on 29/7/2025, 10:27:20, in reply to "Re: What I see" Sarah
How about the recent success Legend
Re: What I see
Posted by J in C on 29/7/2025, 10:25:49, in reply to "What I see" Sarah
Well said oldie
I spy Bushwood with my japs eyeLegend
Re: What I see
Posted by Bootin on 29/7/2025, 10:25:40, in reply to "What I see"
Is the same repetitious listing of mistakes from the board. Never mind the odd successful signing and there has been some. We need people to get over things and start pulling together instead of the same old catalogue of faults,.
Re: What I see
Posted by Fife Hatter on 29/7/2025, 10:44:02, in reply to "Re: What I see" Come on England
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