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Fao Questioner
Posted by SAHB on 19/7/2025, 8:42:42
You ask below how cutting funding makes the rich get richer.
When there isn't enough money in the pot you have two choices, you cut back on spending or you find a way to increase revenue.
The Tories chose "Austerity" over taxation hitting the poorest and the weakest in our society. Cutting back on all the services that are vital to the small groups that use them, rehab centres, day centres for the mentally ill, humiliating the disabled with means tests so and so on. Which has lead to what the original thread was about, the distruction of our Town centres.
Would it not have been preferable to say "do you know what there are a lot of people doing rather well let's ask them if they wouldn't mind contributing a little bit more for the good of all".
They not only ignored that possibility but put things in place for the rich to get richer whilst lining their own pockets with all the scams during covid.
If you give the lowest earners more money they spend it, helping the economy. If you give the rich more they bank it and then fuck off to sun themselves somewhere else so they don't have to contribute to the country that gave them the opportunity to earn it in the first place. The journey leads you to the answers..
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by The Questioner on 19/7/2025, 14:15:15, in reply to "Fao Questioner"
I know how it works ….but like most lefties you have a one dimensional view which is proven time and time again not to work. Let’s tax the rich some more so we can spend more on the public sector…..oh fuck the rich have all gone and now we have to tax every earner more to replace the 30% tax revenue we have lost. But hey at least we don’t need to provide those 1000 people with any services. It’s flawed and Starmer knows it but will probably allow Rachel from the tying pool to do it to appease the left. Personally I could easily do 90 days in the UK….
Posted by Poster from the past on 19/7/2025, 16:05:09, in reply to "Re: Fao Questioner"
NHS no money Prison system overcrowded prisoners released early Probation system chronically underfunded Food banks now commonplace Higher Education funding crisis Care home costs through the roof Childcare costs through the roof Justice system considering trials without jury to clear the backlog Waterways filled literally with shit Councils throughout the country on the verge of bankruptcy Benefits cuts only withdrawn due to MP revolt Cost of housing through the roof Cost of degrees through the roof Violent crime rife amongst kids Youth services cut Poorest 10 percent of UK taxed around 48% Richest 10 percent of UK taxed around 39%
And football agents are fucking wankers outlaws is not the barometer of sanity.
Yeah. because your formula has been working so well hasn't it. Why resort to the lefty bollocks? there is no need.
You obviously live in a different world to most.
Do you have an answer to the growing level of poverty in this country? Or is it as far as you are concerned, the poor can just fuck off, because they are an inconvenience. The journey leads you to the answers..
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by The Questioner on 19/7/2025, 23:28:26, in reply to "Re: Fao Questioner"
Yes I do …. Get the finances right firstly which means making sure we don’t frighten away wealthy people who will contribute more to the tax coffers than @ 20m people. When that’s fixed you can spend the money on those in society that need the most help. It’s like your own household…get the main earner doing well and you can take care of the rest of the family. The leftie bollox is because that’s how your argument is sounding and just for the record I believe in all the things you want as well…just think I different approach than we are currently following is likely to cause more harm than good.
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 19/7/2025, 9:23:08, in reply to "Fao Questioner"
You seem to be ignoring the fact that those who earn more automatically pay more tax. So why do they need to be asked if they wouldn't mind contributing more? Also wrong to say the working classes don't save, we certainly did in my family. My grandparents were dirt poor and they had a nest egg saved.
It's not as much about income earned through work any more though is it. It's about wealth accruing from existing wealth and assets too . . . tax the assets . . .
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by Poster from the past on 19/7/2025, 11:18:44, in reply to "Re: Fao Questioner"
The message is: tax wealth not work.outlaws is not the barometer of sanity.
Posted by crumpsall on 19/7/2025, 9:29:30, in reply to "Re: Fao Questioner" MIB
Are you not aware that high earners employ accountants to avoid tax? (I'd say evade, personally)
I know of someone earning a small fortune who regularly brags of paying no tax.
The only people who 'automatically' pay tax are probably those taxed through their employers.
Self employed people are not 'automatically taxed' but have to complete a return.
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by The Questioner on 19/7/2025, 14:17:37, in reply to "Re: Fao Questioner"
Yeah and I know someone who has 18 kids , lives in mansion , smokes , drinks and has 5 tv’s living off the state. Mail v Mirror.
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by crumpsall on 19/7/2025, 16:23:42, in reply to "Re: Fao Questioner" MIB
But you don't, do you.
Whereas I do.
There's the difference. You're just spouting shite, I'm telling the truth. A familiar scenario.
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by The Questioner on 19/7/2025, 23:23:02, in reply to "Re: Fao Questioner"
No I don’t you are correct and I suspect the person you know is either committing fraud or isn’t being honest about paying tax. If it’s the former do the decent thing ….HMRC are very good at convicting criminals.
I think Crumps is talking about a demographic which if financially significant.
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by Doctor Ince on 19/7/2025, 10:11:39, in reply to "Re: Fao Questioner"
This is the thing the 'tax the rich' crowd don't get... The rich will avoid/evade in any way possible.
I agree, those on PAYE pay tax automatically, anyone who has to complete a return has the chance to avoid. I have a mate who doesn't make obscene money has plenty because he avoids tax by paying himself dividends etc
It is up to Government to have the will to stop it.
They won't because they all have their noses in the trough. The journey leads you to the answers..
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by Doctor Ince on 19/7/2025, 11:10:11, in reply to "Re: Fao Questioner"
Well yeah, would be turkeys voting for Christmas.
Plus the CEOs etc that lobby the government on behalf of whatever business or industry theyre in, and any donors, would all have something to say about it
Yes, but maybe some of us think we HAVE to fix that. I know it's very, very hard but that doesn't mean that we don't have a right to expect our politicians to be at least striving towards it.
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by crumpsall on 19/7/2025, 10:30:49, in reply to "Re: Fao Questioner" MIB
Yep.
The tax system is pretty well loaded with loopholes and there seems to be no will to change that.
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by Poster from the past on 19/7/2025, 11:17:01, in reply to "Re: Fao Questioner"
Of course it is. All the big accounting firms embed their people in HMRC to be itk/influence new policies. Then they share this info to their bosses who then hire out consultants to advise companies of the new rules and how to circumnavigate them.
Billionaires have never had it so good. They're the only people in society who are continuously better off each year. Because they own virtually everything so no matter what service or good you buy most of that money spent works it's way back to them.
Gary Stevenson is right. Tax the assets of this country, which are worth about £12.5 trillion, so that it doesn't matter if the mega rich threaten to leave the UK. Their assets will still be here and can still be taxed.
And if you only target those with more than £10m worth of assets, that's the top 20,000 richest in the UK, you can pull in about £20bn in revenue off the back of a 2% tax on their wealth.
They are less than 1% of the population and they won't be affected by it. They'll still be obscenely rich and living lifestyles you and I will never experience.
They also push all the media narrative to brainwash regular people into believing taxing the rich is a bad idea. And it has worked for years but the cracks are starting to show thanks to relentless campaigners like Gary Stevenson.
Meanwhile politicians are too scared to face the elephant in the room. Unless we all pressure them to tax the mega rich they'll happily avoid the issue. Don't let them.
Most of the problems in society are due to lack of funding. There's not a lack of money to address those issues. There's just a massive con being played on the general public by the mega rich.
outlaws is not the barometer of sanity.
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by Poster from the past on 19/7/2025, 11:28:16, in reply to "Re: Fao Questioner"
Also just to mention the Genius bill has just gone through in the States. This green lights all the big companies to start using their own digital currencies. So when you buy something from Amazon in the future you will have the option of using Amazon coin or whatever the fuck they end up calling it. They'll squeeze even more revenue out of each transaction. They'll be offering credit deals too, and caning it from the interest rates off that. They'll eat into the suppliers market even more pushing smaller companies out of business and will they pay tax like those smaller companies did? Will they fuck. And then they'll convince Joe public they're doing everyone a favour and it's a really bad idea to even think about taxing them. The coin eyed cunts.outlaws is not the barometer of sanity.
And we all just keep sucking it up. The journey leads you to the answers..
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by Poster from the past on 19/7/2025, 12:42:45, in reply to "Re: Fao Questioner"
I don't mate. I write to my MP and tell her to fucking sort it out.
A year ago there was very little mention of a wealth tax on things like Question Time. Now it's nearly always part of the discussion. Nothing has changed yet but baby steps lead to giant strides.outlaws is not the barometer of sanity.
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 19/7/2025, 9:04:34, in reply to "Fao Questioner" Legend of Outlaws
Nail. On. Head.
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by Alien Nate on 19/7/2025, 9:20:42, in reply to "Re: Fao Questioner"
40,000 in Australia for a rugby game. Not knocking it, in different circumstances I would do the same. But it (along with lots of other sports and music events) sells fast, despite the news continually telling us we are broke. The gap just keeps growing..
There's a sun show every second
Re: Fao Questioner
Posted by Laststraw2 on 19/7/2025, 9:38:08, in reply to "Re: Fao Questioner"
Lords full for 5 days and Wimbledon full for 2 weeks, good luck to them but as you say plenty of money about.
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