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    Why everyone’s for sale…

    Posted by E5 Hat on 3/7/2025, 5:38:16

    Just read interesting article HullLive wrote before last game of the season, entitled Disaster of Relegation for Hull.

    It had the maths worked out and overall loss of revenue for them going down to L1 would have been £9-£12M.

    Where it gets a lot worse, as the L1 rules are no relegated club can spend more than 75% of revenue on wages. If we stay in L1 for a second season it’s 60%!

    So our current squad will be well over that. Plus we need money in from player sales to balance the books, pay players off, etc. we won’t be going out buying £1M players, not a chance. So in reality anyone in our squad could be sold.

    We can’t afford another year of high spend on a squad as the ground gets nearer to completion, we are still needing to borrow 50% of the ground spend even with Prem money.

    All hopes rest on MB and recruitment team building a strong powerful team on a strict budget. COYH

      Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

      Posted by Sandgrounder on 3/7/2025, 7:19:14, in reply to "Why everyone’s for sale…"

      We won’t get near 75% this season because of parachute payments. Next season however… If we don’t go up this season it’s not going to get any easier

        Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

        Posted by Hoofit on 3/7/2025, 10:18:44, in reply to "Re: Why everyone’s for sale…"

        I stand to be corrected, but I think the parachute payments are received at the end of a season, not the start. At the end of this season, we will receive our final instalment.

          Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

          Posted by E5 Hat on 3/7/2025, 7:37:16, in reply to "Re: Why everyone’s for sale…"

          Parachute payments dont count as revenue :-(

            Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

            Posted by HH on 3/7/2025, 8:08:31, in reply to "Re: Why everyone’s for sale…"

            I'm pretty sure they do count as revenue.

            What's the point otherwise of them if you can't use them to base your wage bill off?

              Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

              Posted by Cuba on 3/7/2025, 7:42:24, in reply to "Re: Why everyone’s for sale…"

              But they can be used for transfer, agent and signing on fees?

                Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

                Posted by E5 Hat on 3/7/2025, 7:48:33, in reply to "Re: Why everyone’s for sale…"

                They can be - but will we want to use much of it? To run the club competently financially the board have to tackle the black whole in this years budget.

                Regardless of what we can spend to recruit, we have to trim the current squad down massively to hit the 75% max mark on wage spend vs revenue.

                Or our new CFO needs to secure significant new revenue streams to allow more wages on the books

            Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

            Posted by PaddyHatter on 3/7/2025, 6:37:22, in reply to "Why everyone’s for sale…"

            I don't think (I don't know) that we're a bit of a different case to Hull City. Mainly because of parachute payments. I would assume (again don't know) that our PP count as revenue in the L1 rules. Meaning we're not just looking at ticket sales and EFL payment . Far from it. I would imagine Birmingham might have been in trouble with their spend last season too?

              Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

              Posted by E5 Hat on 3/7/2025, 7:38:03, in reply to "Re: Why everyone’s for sale…"

              Nope PP arent allocated as revenue, transfer fees do - which is why we is selling...

                Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

                Posted by Well on 3/7/2025, 10:16:11, in reply to "Re: Why everyone’s for sale…"

                How did Birmingham spend 12 million on 1 player if you are correct?

                I don’t get it.

                  Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

                  Posted by PaddyHatter on 3/7/2025, 7:51:06, in reply to "Re: Why everyone’s for sale…"

                  Got it ! Ta

                    Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

                    Posted by E5 Hat on 3/7/2025, 7:54:56, in reply to "Re: Why everyone’s for sale…"

                    Feels grim dont it - Im trying to keep an optimistic view that MB can be like Nathan and get gems in from the EFL. I like the Saville signing.

                      Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

                      Posted by Cuba on 3/7/2025, 7:58:26, in reply to "Re: Why everyone’s for sale…"

                      Does paying players off count?

                      Let’s say we paid up a contract or two, would that be a route around paying wages over the season?

                Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

                Posted by Cuba on 3/7/2025, 6:15:37, in reply to "Why everyone’s for sale…"

                Players sales income is classed as revenue is it not?

                I think what you alluding to is that we need to keep selling to establish how much we have to spend on wages.

                So a younger player on reasonable wages costing a £1m is a feasible option.

                But someone like a Moses wouldn’t be.

                The challenge is leaving it later risks putting up costs and being ripped off towards the end of August.

                Also that we really must be promoted at the first attempt.

                  Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

                  Posted by E5 Hat on 3/7/2025, 7:43:13, in reply to "Re: Why everyone’s for sale…"

                  Theres two things here; profit is important so as you say buying great new talent at a £1M is a potentially the best route for us. But where we are now is the rules of no more than 75% of revenue can be wages. Our revenues this year will be way lower than last year, so having a lot of players on £10-£20K per week isnt going to work.

                  PP doesnt count towards revenue as some thought...

                  In essence we have to sell a lot to sort this out or secure some amazing new revenue stream.

                    Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

                    Posted by The Cruiser on 3/7/2025, 9:33:20, in reply to "Re: Why everyone’s for sale…"

                    I'm no finance expert, but isn't the 75% cap for relegated clubs based on turnover, not revenue?
                    The last published (April 2025) turnover figure for LTFC was up to 30/06/2024 and stood at £132,321,000.
                    75% of that is approaching £100,000,000.

                      Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

                      Posted by E5 Hat on 3/7/2025, 12:17:00, in reply to "Re: Why everyone’s for sale…"

                      It’s revenue not turnover, which is why PPs don’t count - as they are in turnover figures

                        Re: Why everyone’s for sale…

                        Posted by Cuba on 3/7/2025, 12:25:56, in reply to "Re: Why everyone’s for sale…"

                        Posts above from RR and others say otherwise.

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