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    Recruitment “revamp”

    Posted by joey diconio on 6/6/2025, 16:31:09

    https://www.lutontown.co.uk/en/news/hatters-unveil-recruitment-department-revamp


    Sour

      Re: Recruitment “revamp”

      Posted by LTFC39 on 7/6/2025, 7:12:59, in reply to "Recruitment “revamp”"

      In other words Harford has been demoted, but they didn’t (rightly) want to fire him outright.

      I think this is overall a positive step. Proof is in the pudding though.

        Re: Recruitment “revamp”

        Posted by Nick NBH on 6/6/2025, 19:24:50, in reply to "Recruitment “revamp”"

        I would hope that something is in place for this window, and its not starting from scratch (doubt it will be).

        Overseas recruitment has been a lot more miss than hit - Mikosso has turned out to be excellent, Fanne OK. The less said about Nordas and Hashi the better (watch nordas go and knock in 20 now)

        The better signings have been from the league below (well not anymore) - Alli and Thelo. New recruitment set up cant be judged until next summer. Can`t have much influence this summer as can`t scout anyone. January is always an iffy window trying to plig gaps

          Re: Recruitment “revamp”

          Posted by Garstang Hatter on 6/6/2025, 20:03:48, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

          I reckon Nordas will come good. He was the wrong signing for the time, as we needed someone to come in and hit the ground running rather than a young player who will need time to adapt and develop. But given a full preseason, and playing a division lower? I think he'll play a good part this season, and maybe Walters as well.


          "Never too high, never too low"

          Re: Recruitment “revamp”

          Posted by E5 Hat on 6/6/2025, 18:08:16, in reply to "Recruitment “revamp”"

          Well change was needed. Cant moan that the board have acted, after the last 18months of transfer chaos. Lets hope the data based decisions this team make is using good data. I wonder what data they used last summer?

            Re: Recruitment “revamp”

            Posted by joey diconio on 6/6/2025, 18:14:40, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

            We’ll have to wait and see, Chapplle out and Tracy is the big change, Mick out to pasture probably needed.

            I wouldn’t say it’s sweeping changes personally and apparently no Director of Football so we know someone will be interchanging his Hard Hat for his bench coat


            Sour

              Re: Recruitment “revamp”

              Posted by E5 Hat on 6/6/2025, 19:38:24, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

              Yep - the big change as your rightly call it is fundamentally a move away from the last 18months, when some forgot our roots and culture.

                Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                Posted by Q on 6/6/2025, 18:34:48, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                Apart from Tracy it's the same, isn't it? Doesn't feel like a crack team, or any major changes, but everyone is judged by results at the end of the day and they seem to be hinting at an exciting transfer window...so we'll know soon enough.

                  Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                  Posted by E5 Hat on 6/6/2025, 19:37:17, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                  I 'think' the point is (reading behind what GS is quoted as saying on off site) is a change of approach has been achieved through these changes. Lets hope its going back to not being johnny big bolls anymore and we remember to sign players who will scrap for every point.

                    Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                    Posted by Doctor Ince on 6/6/2025, 18:35:57, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                    Same but some people have got new job titles and Mick has been given Saturdays off

                Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                Posted by crumpsall on 6/6/2025, 16:58:33, in reply to "Recruitment “revamp”"
                MIB

                Addressing issues that attract much noisy comment on here.

                Yet no reactions to the announcement

                Telling.

                  Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                  Posted by bbb on 7/6/2025, 6:52:54, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                  Eh? This is probably the longest thread on here in weeks.
                  I'm not sure any Blue Peter badges should be given out just yet given most of us have absolutely no idea how this 'revamp' is going to work or what jobs these people are actually doing.

                  It's good the club are doing something but I'd like to know if they're working with their hands tied behind their backs as that would certainly seem to be the case the last 3 or 4 transfer windows.

                  Zero point in scouting players if Sweet etc refuse to spend the money.

                  Ps. Over 20 deletions in the last 3 weeks. But its great that there's no power trip going on here.....

                    Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                    Posted by The Outsider on 7/6/2025, 16:41:36, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"
                    VIP


                    Eh? This is probably the longest thread on here in weeks.

                    Other than joey's original post, all of the others were posted after crumpsall's post to which you replied.

                    Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                    Posted by Mr Hatter on 6/6/2025, 17:16:02, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                    What reaction were you hoping for ?... you'll probably get a reaction when Sweet finally fronts up


                    Bravery in the face of defeat

                      Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                      Posted by crumpsall on 6/6/2025, 17:27:11, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"
                      MIB

                      Meaning what?

                      I was expecting comment, hopefully there will be some.

                      There's certainly been plenty of criticism of recruitment, so reasonable I think to anticipate a reaction to factual news

                        Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                        Posted by Ampthill Mob on 6/6/2025, 17:54:41, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                        Comment on what? They haven't done anything/signed anyone yet.


                        League one again ole ole

                          Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                          Posted by crumpsall on 6/6/2025, 18:45:40, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"
                          MIB

                          Er...on the 'revamp'

                          It's the subject of the thread, in case you hadn't noticed. Which you don't appear to have done, judging by your comment.

                          Hope that helps.

                            Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                            Posted by Ampthill Mob on 6/6/2025, 19:34:50, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                            Not really.


                            League one again ole ole

                              Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                              Posted by crumpsall on 6/6/2025, 19:36:56, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"
                              MIB

                              Maybe look the meaning of 'revamp' up?

                              (I've answered Doctor Ince about that, below)

                          Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                          Posted by RM on 6/6/2025, 17:49:34, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                          Well it appears the club and the fans share concerns over recent recruitment. The club have obviously tried to address the issues by these new appointments.
                          Only time will tell if the new appointments prove to be better than the previous regime.
                          Signing players without a long injury record would be a good starting point. Players who can play 38 games a season.

                          Pelly Ruddock anyone?

                            Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                            Posted by m on 6/6/2025, 17:53:01, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                            Let’s be honest. I think we are perhaps back at a level we are more comfortable with in terms of scouting players , league one /two and below

                          Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                          Posted by crumpsall on 6/6/2025, 17:24:31, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"
                          MIB

                          Meaning what?

                          I was expecting comment, hopefully there will be some.

                          There's certainly been plenty of criticism of recruitment, so reasonable I think to anticipate a reaction to factual news

                            Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                            Posted by m on 6/6/2025, 17:27:23, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                            We knew Tracy was joining anyway.
                            I’m not sure many know who does exactly what anyway.
                            Let’s see what happens next.

                          Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                          Posted by m on 6/6/2025, 17:01:31, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                          Why it telling ? It’s been an hour !!

                            Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                            Posted by Doctor Ince on 6/6/2025, 17:13:23, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                            Only just seen it when I had 5 minutes now.

                            The biggest detail was given the fewest sentences - the extended scouting network. What is it and how is it different from before?

                            The new changes just seem to be the mix of top heavy management and jobs for the boys that makes up a lot of our staffing roles.

                              Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                              Posted by MG on 6/6/2025, 17:41:58, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                              That extended scouting network . . . how does that make it top-heavy? Rather the opposite I would have though.

                                Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                Posted by Doctor Ince on 6/6/2025, 17:46:01, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                The top heavy referred to the three 'heads' what does Sajjad actually do if Tracy is cheif scout and socik does analasys? Is he negotiating contracts or signing off on signings or what?

                                  Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                  Posted by MG on 6/6/2025, 18:21:02, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                  No idea, it just doesn't sound particularly top heavy to me.

                                  What other areas do you think are like that though?

                                    Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                    Posted by Doctor Ince on 6/6/2025, 18:30:29, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                    See my reply to crumps below.

                                    I think you might be misunderstood my post. I think the expanded scouting network is good although I'd like more detail.

                                    I'm just not sure how Tracy, Sajjad and Socik all fit into the management structure. Not a knock on the qualities of each, but who's in charge?

                                    It might have been better if the announcement didn't read like it was written by a not particularly talented GCSE student

                                      Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                      Posted by MG on 6/6/2025, 20:22:41, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                      Nothing misunderstood.

                                      I wanted to understand what you meant by "top heavy" was all.

                                        Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                        Posted by crumpsall on 6/6/2025, 18:51:36, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"
                                        MIB

                                        Ffs, nothing's ever right for you is it?

                                        What a mealy-mouthed final sentence

                                          Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                          Posted by Doctor Ince on 6/6/2025, 18:57:45, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                          You can't think it reads well, surely?

                                          You wanted discussion, sorry its not all positive l, although I do think most of it is I'm just not sure of the management structure

                                            Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                            Posted by crumpsall on 6/6/2025, 19:05:03, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"
                                            MIB

                                            I can see absolutely nothing wrong with the way it's written. And that's my profession.

                                            I found your comment a bit snidey and unnecessary.

                                            And yes I wanted discussion and am pleased that people are posting their views on it. Negative, neutral and positive.

                                              Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                              Posted by Doctor Ince on 6/6/2025, 19:13:50, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                              Meh, it is what it is. I thought parts of it were poorly written which didn't aid comprehension of who is doing what.

                                              What's your views on it?

                                                Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                                Posted by crumpsall on 6/6/2025, 19:31:15, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"
                                                MIB

                                                I think 'revamp' is the key word. Not sure judging by posts people understand what the word means:

                                                'Give new and improved form, structure, or appearance to.'

                                                That's what has been done. It's a new and defined structure - so the form has been improved in that roles are clear.

                                                As for the people, Yousuf is newish and was key to our best recent transfer window, in January.

                                                Getting rid of Chapple recognised the need for change, but that change didn't need to be complete surely? Jay has a great reputation.

                                                They're hardly going to say Mick has been chucked out, so I see it as a gentle redefinement of his role.

                                                Tracy comes in with an excellent track record from Lincoln.

                                                But the proof of the pudding is in the eating (thank you jimmyp!) so let's see.

                                                I'm hoping we bring in some leadership, strength and experience personally. Plus of course a 30 goal striker we pluck out of thin air! I'm not averse to good loan signings either.

                                                I imagine we have to move bods out to get new ones in given the 22 man squad requirement.

                                                And I am not one to want to mortgage our future, either.

                                                  Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                                  Posted by Doctor Ince on 6/6/2025, 19:45:28, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                                  I agree with all of that, I think a lot of the message is positive, I just think the leadership structure looks bloated.

                                                  Also 'best recent transfer window' is a bit like being the tallest dwarf...

                                                  Hopefully we get some tasty pudding anyway

                                          Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                          Posted by Q on 6/6/2025, 18:56:09, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                          Tbh, as I say above, it's basically what we knew including the same team so I was a bit confused by the release as well. I was reading expecting something new because press releases normally give new info and apart from job titles, there's not a lot in this one. But as I also say, for this department the bottom line is the result they get in the transfer window, and they hint at exciting stuff to come.

                                  Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                  Posted by crumpsall on 6/6/2025, 17:34:41, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"
                                  MIB

                                  Jobs for the boys???????

                                    Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                    Posted by Ninja on 6/6/2025, 18:47:49, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                    It’s not hard to see.

                                      Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                      Posted by Doctor Ince on 6/6/2025, 18:14:44, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                      It's my completely uneducated opinion that we try to be too nice to staff we've formed a close relationship with and either keep them too long(Edwards) or create and offer them roles to keep them about (Dearden). As I said to MG above, what's Sajid doing? We've got a chief scout and a head of analasys, is he managing both of them?

                                      Dearden is Teams Operations Manager. No one has ever actually managed to say what he does or why he's on the bench every game.

                                      Having looked at a few other clubs none of them have one.

                                      Looking at scouting structures of other clubs it's all quite clear... There's a head of recruitment and then it flows down from there, is that what Sajjad is?

                                      Brentford and Brighton, two clubs who have done what we try to do, but better, have very simlld coaching structures, and from what I can see their organisational structure for scouting is simple too - no random job titles and three-pronged management teams etc

                                      Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                      Posted by Zobra The Greek on 6/6/2025, 17:33:12, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                      Sajjad only joined in September and was involved in some of the better January signings.

                                      Stocik is renknown for being one of the best in the business.

                                      No point throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

                                      Last summer's window was very poor. January, I still think was decent. Jan 2023, no clubs were doing any business.

                                      The gems Socik has been involved with bringing in far outweigh a few duds, IMO.

                                        Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                        Posted by Controllable on 6/6/2025, 17:55:36, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                        Good to see Jay Socik progress, only ever heard good things about him. Delighted to see big Mick still involved (and hopefully carry a little less burden). Marc Tracy has a good reputation from his prior clubs and is a Luton fan. I’m less familiar with You suf but sounds good re his involvement in Jan. All feels like a good refresh of a dept which has generally done very well for us.

                                          Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                          Posted by MG on 6/6/2025, 17:39:07, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                          Fair comment, last Summer was pretty bad but I think recruitment is getting far more stick than it deserves. I suspect they were given a certain brief and budget and that was as much to blame.

                                        Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                        Posted by Zobra The Greek on 6/6/2025, 17:08:48, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                        Because over the past year people have been pretty quick to complain.

                                          Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                          Posted by Wilt on 6/6/2025, 18:23:00, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                          And were they wrong to do so?

                                            Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                            Posted by crumpsall on 6/6/2025, 17:11:30, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"
                                            MIB

                                            Precisely, Zobra.

                                            Put up some conjecture slating aspects of the club and some are all over it in a flash.

                                            Put up a factual announcement and they're not.

                                              Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                              Posted by Ninja on 6/6/2025, 18:49:20, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                              You are so boring with same defensive rhetoric.

                                              Are you on the payroll?!

                                                Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                                Posted by crumpsall on 6/6/2025, 19:07:20, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"
                                                MIB

                                                You think I'M boring?

                                                Well, that's amused me, thanks, Mr 'Headteacher, what I say is right so don't challenge it' 🙂

                                                  Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                                  Posted by Ostrich spotter on 6/6/2025, 20:20:36, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                                  For someone who often accuses those with different opinions of being snidey, you don't half come across as being snidey

                                                    Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                                    Posted by crumpsall on 6/6/2025, 20:42:15, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"
                                                    MIB

                                                    Oh well, that's life I guess

                                                Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                                Posted by Mr Hatter on 6/6/2025, 17:16:46, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                                Who says these changes will give a better outcome ?


                                                Bravery in the face of defeat

                                                  Re: Recruitment “revamp”

                                                  Posted by Father Ted on 6/6/2025, 17:27:30, in reply to "Re: Recruitment “revamp”"

                                                  Something had to be done and they've done it, so fair enough. Can't wait to see who they bring in.

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