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"Warnock type manager"
Posted by Zobra The Greek on 13/4/2025, 9:16:23
People calling for a Warnock type until the end of the season...They're the same ones who wanted Ian Holloway a few years ago.
For one, who is this 'Warnock type'? If it's actually Colin himself, then I don't know what to say other than we'd already be down by now if he'd been appointed. Maybe 10 years ago that could've been an option, but he's so past it now, as his last few jobs have proven.
Who are the other 'proven hard bastards' that we could have got in? Nigel Pearson? No thanks. He's literally the only one I can think of. The list of decent managers out of work is very small. Cooper and O'Neil were mentioned, but no way are they dropping from PL jobs to potentially League One.
Rowett or Neil might have kept us up, but neither would've taken an 'til the end of the season' role, and both are limited in what they can achieve and the type of football they play. Yeah, I know we've been playing dreadful football this year, but Bloomfield's record suggests he's got the potential to move things forward once the ship has been steadied. With those other two, they are what they are, and the crowd would be on their backs half way through next season and probably slagging off the board for making the wrong appointment.
I wanted Mark Robins, but according to reports he didn't want to move South. I would have liked Eustace too, but him going to Derby came out of left field. The other pool of available managers was really small. And let's be honest there's a huge amount of luck involved in appointing someone. 2020 have got a 50/50 success rate, which is much better than most EFL clubs.
The consensus changes with the wind with our fans. Most people had come around to MB and there was positivity about the last month, and a buzz in the ground before KO yesterday. But one shit performance and we're back to 'We've got no chance, the players are all toss, Bloomfield is shit, we should've spent more £££££'
The fact is the squad at the start of the season was infinitely good enough to be comfortably mid table. Apart from Locks it still had the spine of the team that got promoted to the PL. What happened IMO, was RE totally lost himself, combined with some lacklustre signings and the players we already had being stuck in a losing rut, bereft of any confidence. RE wasn't able to halt that, and his tactics became late era Newell-esque at times. MB has been fighting an uphill battle since he joined. No strikers who can score, a defence leaking goals and a midfield scared to pass forward. He's done quite well fixing two of these issues. But unfortunately the striking problem hasn't been fixed.
There are dozens of clubs who have struggled after relegation from the PL and gone straight down again. Sometimes it's just impossible to halt the decline, no matter who you appoint or what you try.
It's been an abominable season (and a half), but after ten years of success up on success upon success you're bound to hit some turbulence. Would be nice if we could be a bit of stoic about our situation.
I pretty much agree with that, and as I've said before I think a lot of our problem is the rate of success. It got to the point where we just couldn't step up a gear, and certainly nothing about the Premier League season was actually unexpected or that bad considering everything. I know a lot believe that we should have spent more money, and I don't know anyone who wouldn't have loved to see a quality player or two come in during that January window but it really is more often than not just throwing good money after bad.
To try and build the infrastructure required to compete at the Premier League level is a huge challenge, it's so much more than just the squad and the stadium.
What happened this summer? I just can't explain it, though if Walsh had played like we now know he can rather than a numpty early on it might have helped some.
It's obvious that a hell of a lot has gone wrong, including it seems, personal problems of some kind for a number of the staff. Questions do need to be asked but we also need to keep the great man's words in mind "Never too high, never too low" - and in this instance be wary of going mad over making changes when certainly for this and / or League One level we have been successful in the past.
Good post. The only quibble is there are only three clubs since the EPL started to have had successive relegations into the third division: Swindon, Wolves and Sunderland. I’m currently on a train to Wolves v Spurs. If anyone thinks the mood at full-time yesterday was toxic, seeing Wolves a couple of times when they got relegated for the second time was as ugly as I’ve ever seen.
No pressure on Bloomfield at Wycombe in led go one. Next season should we go down. We will be favourites to go back up again. Can he cope with it. ? How long will it be before the fans start moaning and groaning when we’re not 3 up at half time ageist aside they’ve deemed unworthy of being on the same pitch ? First thing he’s got to do is weed out the bad eggs and stabilise the ship a bit so to speak. Might take a season or two. Will he get that time ?
Re: "Warnock type manager"
Posted by Fife Hatter on 13/4/2025, 9:30:36, in reply to ""Warnock type manager"" Come on England
Always disliked Warnock, arrogant, abrasive, he and Allerdyce and alike from same mould, would prefer to give MB a decent run in league 1 than have Warnock in charge.
Sunderland and Wolves are the only two I can think of in recent times to have had successive relegations.
And one was so badly run Netflix made a documentary about it for the shits and giggles. The other, the owner made offers to quit the club during the season as fans protested and stormed the pitch.
It's extremely poor company to be in.
Still, it's nothing that a win in our next game won't help.
Sorry, I had meant to say teams to either went down again straight away or almost went down/struggled for a few seasons after.
Sunderland, Wolves, Hull, Stoke, Huddersfield, Birmingham, Southampton, Leeds, Sheffield United, even Fulham were in a relegation battle the first season they came down I remember.
All this isn't to say that it's been diabolical this season. I'm just not sure that the fixation of many to try and pin it on Gary Sweet is helpful, or fair.
You can add Derby, Forest, Sheffield Wednesday, Fulham etc to that list.
The point being that it's not unusual to struggle immediately after relegation from the PL. Live justly, love mercy, perpetuate generosity, walk humbly.
The other thing, we used to mock the likes of Stoke etc for how badly they did on a lot of money. Now we use them as a barometer to excuse our own failings.
I suspect our wage bill is far higher than their's this season.
I just think there is a level of complacency at the club that everything is fine whereas I think the structure on the playing side needs a tweak. After the last two years, I find it beyond mad that we're seemingly approaching another window with the exact same recruitment set up.
Stoke haemorrhage money and supported by hugely wealthy owners I'd imagine their wage bill would be at least on par if not higher, massive underachievers
Generally fair, but I doubt there are ‘dozens’ of clubs to be relegated from the premier league to league 1 in successive seasons.
Alex Neill has Millwall in the verge of the playoffs. Rowett has got some great results with Oxford. I agree that both of them are in some ways ‘retreads’ and part of the ‘manager carousel’ but if we were serious about staying in the championship we should’ve employed someone with more experience in my view. Even if that was a 2.5 year contract, a couple of years stability in the championship while we sort ourselves out, even if we didn’t progress as a club would not be the worst thing. And is likely to better than where we actually are in 2 years.
The Bloomfield appointment, like the squad investment, was arrogance / complacency - a “we’ll be fine” attitude. Was very similar to appointing NJ first time, the only difference being that we were never going down from league 2 that season, despite what Jones might say. We could take a gamble on the long term then.
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