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    An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

    Posted by Swansea Hatter on 11/11/2024, 10:04:00

    …… but personally I hope the club back Rob Edwards to the hilt. This guy achieved something that most of could barely dream of by taking us to the Premier league and represented us phenomenally in the media in a season where we didn’t really stand a chance given the inequities between us and ‘them’. The club have clearly prioritised getting the stadium built in a way that will maximise our income for years and years to come rather than gambling the premier league money on trying to go straight back up - and I think most rational fans would understand that is the best thing in the long term. As such Rob has had a pretty rough assignment this year and although things aren’t going as well as any of us would like I think we should all back him - there too much “Billy Big-Bollocks” attitude going on after our 1 (ONE) season in the premier league. Realistically given the investment in facilities our playing squad budget is probably nowhere near top six and with the injuries we’ve had he’s not really been able to play a settled team much (let alone his first choice XI). This is almost like a shorter term version of Wenger at Arsenal - I for one couldn’t understand how one single Arsenal ‘fan’ could have ever wanted him to be sacked - given what he did for that club over so many seasons (keeping them in top 4 whilst they paid off stadium debts etc) he should have been allowed to take them down to the National League South and still be considered a club legend! Obviously I don’t want us to get relegated, but that would be a much smaller disaster in the long term than spunking all the prem money on transfers and wages and not going up.

    Let’s not be like the wetwipes down the road and turn on our manager when things aren’t going swimmingly. We are Luton town - we do things differently.

    “The stronger the team the stronger the team”

    “Be careful what you wish for”

    “Never too high, never too low”

    “Football supporters are doughnuts”. Etc etc



      Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

      Posted by Orange Squash on 11/11/2024, 11:48:59, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

      I agree, 100%! I hope the board backs him, too.

      More importantly, I hope Rob can back himself.

      If you want to be a top manager in the Premier League some day, which I believe he wants to be, then you are going to face periods of adversity. This is one of those such periods. That being said, we still dominated our local rivals who are in the playoffs, drew with West Brom who are also in the playoffs, and beat Cardiff who were second in the form table last week.

      As with anything blame-wise, it has to be distributed evenly. The players need to take a hard, long look at themselves, as I genuinely feel several of them have -- or are -- letting the team down massively. Three times this season we've had players, such as Thomas Kaminski, Liam Walsh, and Tom Holmes get sent off, costing us points.

      In fact, it blows my mind that a player, such as Liam Walsh, who was nearing the end of his career in the summer, has been given a golden chance to get back on track, and this is how he repays the club! His defending, along with Teden Mengi and Mark McGuinness on Saturday, was woeful!

      Mengi has clearly had his head turned and needs moving on with his whole filming the crowd routine (even when we've been hammered) for his YouTube channel nonsense, as McGuinness looks considerably worse when he plays with him!

      Rob needs to go back to basics. What does that mean? It means playing players who care! Carlton Morris should always be starting. Jacob Brown is starting to win me over with his work rate and enthusiasm, as is Tom Holmes (bar his stupid sending off!). I also think Pelly could still play a big part in this team, and shouldn't be sidelined. That is on Rob, as is his tactical stubbornness.

      However, if we can get the core of our team back for Hull at home, and start Kaminski, Doughty, Bell, McGuinness, Holmes (or Burke), Hashioka, Clark, Krauß, Brown, Adebayo and Morris, and stick to a settled team wherever possible, I think we can turn this around.

      The optimist in me thinks that we could even get to the playoffs by season's end if we find our momentum after Christmas, as we usually do.

      P.S. As someone posted below, this is a weak Championship. Furthermore, we're not in a relegation dogfight. That is nonsensical, especially when you're only four points off of the mid-table.

      COYH!

        Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

        Posted by Newton on 11/11/2024, 11:37:15, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

        I think any half-sane fan (so that's at least 10%) wants Edwards to succeed. I certainly do. And if you offered me 21st this season, and Edwards to still be here next season, with both him and the squad refreshed, I'd be delighted.

        I don't think we will go down - I do not think we are one of the three worst teams in the league and I struggle to see how we'd fail to win another ten games or so this season. But, relegation would be a massive issue in terms of the long-term future of the club. (Incidentally, does anyone know if you keep parachute payments if you go down to L1?!)

        If you'd asked me last international break what we should do, I'd 100% say keep Edwards. Now, I am far more 50-50.

          Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

          Posted by Zaphod on 11/11/2024, 15:03:25, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

          I seem to remember that Sunderland still had parachute payments (and games in hand) in 2018-19

            Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

            Posted by The Dutchman on 11/11/2024, 12:26:19, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

            Its Luton Town I want to succeed. I couldnt give a monkeys about RE.

            Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

            Posted by Cross Comes High on 11/11/2024, 11:11:56, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

            Great post

              Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

              Posted by Brko's Bicycle on 11/11/2024, 11:10:25, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

              I'd like nothing more than to see us win the next five on the spin and this whole episode to be forgotten.

              Can't see it though if I'm honest. Once the mood around a manager shifts like this in any club, things tend to go in only one direction.

              I think some of our fans have disgraced themselves. You can't be singing "We've got super Robbie Edwards" in the good times and then be yelling at him to F off when we lose. And these people have the nerve to call those of us who have our emotions in check the "happy clappers"!

                Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/11/2024, 11:36:27, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                "I think some of our fans have disgraced themselves. You can't be singing "We've got super Robbie Edwards" in the good times and then be yelling at him to F off when we lose. And these people have the nerve to call those of us who have our emotions in check the "happy clappers"!"

                Fucking spot on. And they'll be the same again - the new man will be THE MESSIAH until he isn't, when they'll be the ones who never wanted him in the first place and who spotted he was the wrong appointment long before everyone else.

                Rule of thumb here - anyone who refers to "Edward's" is automatically a cunt .....

                  Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                  Posted by bbb on 11/11/2024, 11:36:07, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                  Agree with your first 2 paragraphs. Not your 3rd though. It's not like fans have changed their opinion over night. It's happened over time.
                  We went down last season with a whimper and that performance Saturday was like the straw that broke the camels back.
                  It was RE that was banging on about promotion. Those that spend their hard earned money to watch that shite are entitled to their opinions.

                    Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                    Posted by MG on 11/11/2024, 11:19:04, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                    Fair point, and you know those same people will, largely, be the same ones who explode when a popular player or manager decides to move on bemoaning their lack of loyalty.

                    Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                    Posted by Poster from the past on 11/11/2024, 10:50:48, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                    I've calmed down a bit since Saturday and looking at the table we're only 2 wins away from mid table security which I would be happy with this season. The concerning thing though is we look terrible. I don't have very much confidence at all that we can cobble together 2 wins to even get there. It will be what it will be but at this stage I still think we need to be looking to replace Edwards, even though he is a nice person.

                      Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                      Posted by MG on 11/11/2024, 10:57:31, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                      Personally I think a bit more patience is required. Coventry and Boro were shambolic but the home games recently haven't been by any stretch of the imagination.

                      Next game is Hull at home, winnable based on those last three home performances. Problem is that fail to win that and I don't think anyone is going to be confident about going to Carrow Rd and Elland Rd after that.


                      Caveat: I'm not going to pretend to understand Rob's mindset but obviously if he wants out then we should let him go of course. And I put the wants in bold because the rumours that he tendered his resignation might simply be because he is honourable and didn't want to make it hard for the board. I can imagine him doing that. If there is any truth in any of it of course.

                        Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                        Posted by HH on 11/11/2024, 10:54:00, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                        Yeah, I think Hull is a must win. Especially as Leeds and Norwich away will be tough.

                          Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                          Posted by Just an observation on 11/11/2024, 10:56:07, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                          On current form any away match is going to be difficult. Our record away from home is relegation form

                          Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                          Posted by Just an observation on 11/11/2024, 10:53:26, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                          And that is it in a nutshell. Despite looking rubbish most of the time, we are not too far adrift. Let's be honest, apart from one or two good teams, this is a very poor Championship. We will look back on this season as a massive lost opportunity

                            Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                            Posted by Yes on 11/11/2024, 10:58:21, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                            The league is mining.

                            Sunderland are garbage yet are still top ( not for long )

                            It will be a while before it’s this poor again.

                            Leeds will win it but they are average at best.

                          Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                          Posted by HH on 11/11/2024, 10:46:26, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                          Playing devil's advocate and being partially flippant....if we had lost that penalty shootout and this was the subsequent season in this league, would we still tolerate it?

                          Or does a penalty shootout victory excuse all else?

                          Asking on behalf of Gazza Brabin.

                            Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                            Posted by E1 on 11/11/2024, 10:45:13, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                            good post - fingers crossed he turns it around.

                              Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                              Posted by Doctor Ince on 11/11/2024, 10:44:28, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                              Swansea hatter mate - promotion was the aim set this season by Edwards and the board.

                              It's not billy big bollocks for fans to base their expectations of the managements stated aims

                                Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                Posted by MG on 11/11/2024, 10:51:42, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                I must admit, if ever I have seen a communication from the 2020 era club that has to be it. Everyone knows how regularly relegated teams can struggle, it was a daft thing to say imho.

                                Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                Posted by Music Critic on 11/11/2024, 10:40:49, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                Downhill momentum is very difficult to stop. One you're on that slippery slope you often can't get off it. Managers, players, squads and clubs

                                You talk of a billy big bollocks attitude. I think it's understandable that fans were expecting a bit more than this. If people want to call that entitled then fine. But, crucially, it's the manner of a lot of our defeats that's far more concerning than getting beat in of itself. Fans are never entitled to expect to see a team win but we are entitled to expect to see commitment and honesty in the performances. Saturday, in that regard, was a joke. Get beat, fine. But leave it all out there. It's all fans of any club ever really ask, except fans of the big clubs

                                Onto the players and Edwards is not solely to blame obviously. There are some players that can fuck off in January as far as I'm concerned. They're not helping and, unfortunately for Edwards, that doesn't reflect well on him either, as most of the players that often look like they can't be bothered are his signings (I know someone will jump on my head regards recruitment). Krauss and Kaminski are exceptions. I don't know the reasons for the apparent lack of effort but that can't all be on Edwards

                                I just don't want this to turn horrible for him and ruining things for him here. To get us promoted was a brilliant achievement but it's about the here and now and, now, we look awful. A Huddersfield rather than, as I'd hoped, being a Burnley or someone like that.

                                  Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                  Posted by Just an observation on 11/11/2024, 10:38:39, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                  Lots of sound bites. He had to make the best use of the squad available to him, h seems to have tried so many square pegs in round holes when he had several untried round pegs, particularly Pelly and Taylor. Is Pelly really behind Walsh and Baptiste? Wouldn't Pelly contribute more than an out of position Chong?

                                    Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                    Posted by The Dutchman on 11/11/2024, 10:35:44, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                    Im sick to the teeth of people saying 'Rob toook us up'. That team he inherted had vast experience of playing for us and real leadership and generals in the dresing room, Bradley, Potts, Berry, Pelly, Locks etc. They understood what it meant to play for us and there is nothing to say that NJ wouldnt have done it as we added Marvllous as the miisng piece. That team was built with solid foundations which have now sadly eroded and we have a squad that just looks cobbled together.

                                      Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                      Posted by Shutupya on 11/11/2024, 10:25:40, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                      I agree and have no desire to see the bloke sacked .... but I also have enough respect for him that if he no longer feels able he should be able to go with dignity .. but secondly there needs to be a question of how long the captain of a failing ship should be allowed to stay? Its all good reminiscing about the glory days under Rob but the club have to live in the here and now, if not perhaps we should have kept John Still .....

                                      The fact that he is such a nice guy that has given us so many good memories make this such a tough decision .... on results alone he should be gone but Luton Town FC show loyalty and believe in helping people through tough periods ....

                                      Whomever represents Luton Town player or manager gets 100% support from real fans ....

                                        Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                        Posted by ‘HatsAllFolks on 11/11/2024, 10:21:47, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                        If the club want to back him (which is fine by me) then I really wish they would come out and publicly back him and throw their support behind him.

                                        I have no problem him staying and really like RE but I feel like the boost he might need is the backing of the club publicly! He looks ill and worn out with everything, if the board came out and supported him then it might put the wind back in his sails a bit!

                                        Either way, it needs sorting soon one way or another.

                                        COYH 🎩

                                          Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                          Posted by Um on 11/11/2024, 10:19:42, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                          Most fans would love Rob to stay and turn round the clubs fortunes this season. But everything weve seen on the pitch and hiss interviews before and after games makes me wonder if he can turn the season round.

                                          Supporters trust podcast put things very well and worth a listen.

                                            Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                            Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 11/11/2024, 10:17:38, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                            Us supporters are always getting in the neck, donuts etc, football club owners aren't perfect

                                              Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                              Posted by Herts Hatter on 11/11/2024, 10:17:11, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                              Well personally I would like RE to be able to turn it around. However - relegation is looking likely right now - and L1 is a tough league to get out of - we could be stuck there for a decade which will in effect undermine the financial model for the stadium. So on the basis that relegation could be a disaster - we will need to spend some money to improve this squad in January or I think we will go down. As to RE can he achieve it?

                                              History suggests that once a Rubicon is crossed then it is difficult to turn back and recreate the trust. It may be possible - look at Steve Cooper at Forest and Moyes at West Ham - both seemed to ride out big storms.

                                              However either way there is no way we are equipped to stay in this league - our midfield is the most lightweight I can remember and I am afraid our defence is so easy to get at it is frightening. Oxford looked as if they could score at will. We have messed up 2 transfer windows - history cannot be changed but any suggestion we have enough to stay up is clearly nonsense no matter who the manager

                                                Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                Posted by Shutupya on 11/11/2024, 10:30:14, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                Your comments about our defence, can't argue the way we are playing, but are they bad (not good enough players) or are the tactics and formation all wrong? ..... Just asking

                                                  Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                  Posted by r p mcmurphy on 11/11/2024, 10:46:08, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                  Are they just being asked to do too much defending, as we don't defend the midfield and give the ball away too cheaply in attack

                                                Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                Posted by ActonHatter on 11/11/2024, 10:16:12, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                Well they didn't back him in the summer transfer window!

                                                  Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                  Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/11/2024, 10:13:14, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                  I don't think RE wants to carry on, based on his comments on Saturday

                                                    Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                    Posted by Madpig on 11/11/2024, 10:11:38, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                    If they wanna help Rob, then let him go with dignity.
                                                    Have you seen the state of the man. It's killing him. He deserves better than a slow, painful demise.
                                                    Even if the club back him to the hilt, if the team keeps failing, that faith stops at pitch side. The fans will voice their discontent.
                                                    Plus he'll only need to look at the league table to rub salt into his wounds.
                                                    The guy did a great job, like John Still. Let's remember him line we do John Still. He achieved

                                                      Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                      Posted by pingu on 11/11/2024, 10:09:19, in reply to "An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                      🧡🫡

                                                      nice - but the daggers are out for him, remember joe kinnear’s words……🍩.

                                                        Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                        Posted by Bogo on 11/11/2024, 10:18:21, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                        I wish that the board had supported him. But they didn't. The let to many class players slip through their fingers. Just take a look at the players Luton were interested in and what we actually signed. We signed old bangers from the scrap yard. Instead of investing in quality. We did want to spend the money. Champagne idea's with Coca-Cola pockets from the board. The messed up big time. Rob Edwards has to shoulder a lot of the responsibilities. But he was given a very poor squad. It lacking quality leadership and know how. Some on the board need to stand up and own it. If they are going to continue with Rob then back him with a squad capable of doing the business. Back him or sack him. Don't let him carry your mess

                                                          Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                          Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/11/2024, 10:24:06, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                          The players are getting a free pass in all of this - we rightly laughed at Udinese the other week, but that collapse on Saturday was every bit as gutless

                                                            Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                            Posted by Music Critic on 11/11/2024, 10:48:35, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                            Agreed. But, as I said above, most of the players who are showing gutless qualities were his signings

                                                            Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                            Posted by bbb on 11/11/2024, 10:34:45, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                            Spot on. And it wasn't just Rob that got abuse up there on Saturday, the players were given plenty before he walked over. And rightly so.
                                                            I'd like to think Carlton Morris(who clearly gives a shit and never gives less than 110%) tore the useless cunts a new one when they were back in the changing room.

                                                            Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                            Posted by A town called malice on 11/11/2024, 10:34:02, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                            We all want RE to succeed .
                                                            Would the support of a John Still character to work with him through the current ‘team’ problems help!

                                                            Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                            Posted by HH on 11/11/2024, 10:22:44, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                            Yeah, recruitment wasn't great. But he's still got the bulk of the squad which got us up. 8 of the starting 11 against Cov in the playoff final are still here, if you include Locks.

                                                            Have they become that bad since they were last in this league?

                                                            What he did in getting us up was incredible. I would love that manager to return. But we're reaching a point very soon where if results don't improve we can't keep hoping he's coming back or letting that outweigh what we're seeing on the pitch currently. Because it's fucking shite.

                                                              Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                              Posted by m on 11/11/2024, 10:35:27, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                              They got old

                                                                Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                                Posted by Music Critic on 11/11/2024, 10:52:39, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                                Most of them are at a good age still. Moses is the only one really knocking on a bit

                                                                We can criticise the recruitment, ok, but those who just blame that forget that a lot of these players have previously showed quality at this level and, indeed, the level above

                                                                  Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                                  Posted by HH on 11/11/2024, 10:44:36, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                                  They're nowhere near as old as some of the players we've signed recently!

                                                                Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                                Posted by pingu on 11/11/2024, 10:19:43, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                                i hear you.

                                                                Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure….

                                                                Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/11/2024, 10:16:10, in reply to "Re: An unpopular opinion I’m sure…."

                                                                There's a massive competition going on at the moment as to who can make themselves the biggest cunt online over EDWARD'S (sic).

                                                                You'd think he was a poundshop Kevin Blackwell the way some of our diehards are going on .....

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