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    Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

    Posted by Worried on 5/11/2024, 7:30:36

    With the Rhetoric of Fascist lunacy are we comfortable with this.

      Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

      Posted by Sheff on 5/11/2024, 10:53:48, in reply to "Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

      One thing is certain, BadEnoch will not be leading the Tories into the next General Election.


      And whilst I'm here making predictions I'd wager that Trump will be living in exile in Russia* by next summer. (If he loses the election)

      *or some other country with no extradition treaty with the USA

        Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

        Posted by No on 5/11/2024, 9:59:50, in reply to "Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

        Let’s be honest.

        It secures labour for a decade at least.

        Bravo.

          Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

          Posted by Bloke on 5/11/2024, 12:28:19, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

          The poor taxpayer.

          Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

          Posted by Round Green Hatter on 5/11/2024, 10:22:23, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

          Labour are in by default, the reform/tory vote split the vote.

            Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

            Posted by No on 5/11/2024, 10:42:31, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

            So with this logic if it weren’t. For the liberal party labour would never be out of power?

            Not forgetting many labour voters voted tactically for Libs to oust the Tories.

            Good point.

            Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 5/11/2024, 10:01:43, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

            Do you think she'll last that long?

              Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

              Posted by Ummm on 5/11/2024, 10:11:49, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

              Much longer than two tier I would have thought!

                Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 5/11/2024, 10:30:20, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                I know the Tories are fickle, but really?

                  Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                  Posted by MG on 5/11/2024, 10:22:08, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                  Want a bet on that?

                    Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                    Posted by Ummm on 5/11/2024, 11:43:21, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                    Will do mate, lets call it a sportsmans bet for now MG

                    Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                    Posted by crumpsall on 5/11/2024, 10:28:29, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                    Think that even by Outlaws standards Ummm's post us just a mindless reaction. It certainly can't be based on any rational thinking.

                      Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                      Posted by MG on 5/11/2024, 11:34:09, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                      I love the way they think using "two tier" sounds somehow clever . . .

                        Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                        Posted by Cheated on 5/11/2024, 12:45:30, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                        2 tier kier on the take

                          Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                          Posted by Oh dear on 5/11/2024, 12:37:07, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                          Unfortunately “Two Tier” is very apt, dependant on your faith, beliefs, skin colour and behaviour, especially when it comes to law enforcement, policing and sentence.

                          The differences in application are glaringly obvious.

                            Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                            Posted by Oh Dear on 5/11/2024, 13:49:42, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                            There's also a boatload of context being ignored here, not that I expect the dim who are just parroting sound bites to actually grasp that.

                            You can punch someone in the face in the street but context is going to dictate whether it's viewed as self defense, ABH, affray or violent disorder. Naturally violent disorder is going to be treated much more harshly because of the potential harm it can cause to wider society. Add to this the need to prevent disorder becoming dangerously widespread and there's plenty of rational explanation behind the swift and harsh sentencing of those involved in the recent disorder. Plenty want to ignore that context to try and portray the narrative that innocent white men are being persecuted for their political beliefs.

                            It's really quite transparent.

                              Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                              Posted by Ok on 5/11/2024, 14:22:23, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                              Sadly you are an idiot ( no doubt a tad racist )

                              Did you complain about black men getting sentenced in 2011? ( course not )

                              Two tier twat springs to mind.

                                Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                Posted by Oh Dear on 5/11/2024, 14:28:31, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                I'm guessing that made sense in your head?

                                  Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                  Posted by Ok on 5/11/2024, 14:34:31, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                  I can’t do pictures but I will try to simplify it.

                                  After the 2011 riots/demos swift justice was dished out in the same way as the latest riots/demos.

                                  I can’t simplify it anymore.

                                  Now explain to me why you believe “white men” should have been handled differently?

                                    Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                    Posted by Oh Dear on 5/11/2024, 15:03:02, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                    Where have I argued that they should? I was arguing that the rhetoric around white men being persecuted simply for having an opinion during the latest riots doesn't stand up to scrutiny when you apply some rational thinking and scrutinise the context.

                                    As it happens I don't really think the 2011 riots were a black issue in that those rioting appeared to be be if all creeds and colours and that very few were doing so in response to a black man being shot by police.

                                      Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                      Posted by Ok on 5/11/2024, 15:21:27, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                      Who was arrested for having an opinion?

                                      Name the person and the opinion?

                                      69% jailed were not “white”

                                      Just stop oil protesters ( peaceful ) were jailed for an opinion.

                                      Were you one of those types cheering or were you outraged?

                                      Many on here were very happy.

                                        Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                        Posted by Oh Dear on 5/11/2024, 15:28:56, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                        You appear to be missing my point completely. I'm arguing against the current "two tier" rhetoric that white men are being persecuted for having opinions.

                                        I see it as mindless, violent dickheads being arrested and jailed for being mindless, violent dickheads. In some cases they've been punished for being racist, violent dickheads.

                                        The swiftness and harshness with which they were treated can largely be explained by the context of what was happening nationwide.

                                        That's the argument I was making.

                                          Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                          Posted by Ok on 5/11/2024, 15:39:42, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                          Next time I respond to anyone I will make sure I have read the post correctly.

                                          I’ve re read your posting above and realise we basically agree and I’ve made a complete prat of myself.

                                          Apologies.

                            Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                            Posted by crumpsall on 5/11/2024, 13:19:09, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                            I guess you're referring to black kids being disproportionately dealt with by the police and courts, and sentenced, compared to others?

                              Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                              Posted by MG on 5/11/2024, 13:10:10, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                              As I've said, not arguing with that.

                              Just pointing out that it's been going on for a long time for a variety of different reasons.

                              I would say that this particular example (the riots) is the most valid I know of though.

                                Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 5/11/2024, 12:43:43, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                Oh dear, indeed.
                                You need to get to Specsavers.

                                Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                Posted by crumpsall on 5/11/2024, 11:43:31, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                It's absolutely pitiful. As are all those rhyming name things after the first couple of times, like Fishy Rishy etc. But two tier seems to have become like a nervous tic amongst some on here. Perhaps they have developed twotierettes?

                                I'll get me coat....

                        Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                        Posted by T.k. on 5/11/2024, 10:04:21, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                        Tut, tut. The sexisum on here.

                    Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                    Posted by Hmmmmm on 5/11/2024, 8:32:08, in reply to "Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                    She’s a tad left, tbh

                      Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                      Posted by R27 on 5/11/2024, 8:15:51, in reply to "Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                      I'm delighted. Excellent decision.

                        Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                        Posted by Was wondering on 5/11/2024, 8:06:37, in reply to "Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                        Colour of her skin bother you?

                          Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                          Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 5/11/2024, 7:57:29, in reply to "Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                          Good that Tories have a purpose...to make you cry

                            Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                            Posted by Willy of the People on 5/11/2024, 8:31:27, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                            Why would your average looney thickie vote for a black racist when he/she can vote for a white one Frothy?

                            Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                            Posted by Herts Hatter on 5/11/2024, 7:46:10, in reply to "Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                            ah diddums is "worried" - how about making some actual arguments like for example how "an extra £22bn is going to improve the NHS given that the other £180bn still results in a poor service"

                              Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                              Posted by Dave Hedgehog on 5/11/2024, 8:33:57, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                              You are correct.

                              The fix and reform the nhs needs involves training new staff in greater numbers and this would then take about 15 years to result in real differences at the frontline.

                              Our 5 year parliament cycle means nobody will invest in this.

                                Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                Posted by The Questioner on 5/11/2024, 11:22:52, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                The NHS just doesn’t work for a population the size of the UK.
                                It’s a fantastic concept but no longer viable we need to start looking at a serious way out . The French system isn’t perfect but certainly more workable than what we have.
                                It has to be a mixture of state and insurance in my view for it to survive.

                                  Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                  Posted by Dave Hedgehog on 5/11/2024, 11:35:00, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                  Whether it is free or paid for there aren't enough staff and we aren't training enough to replace those who are going to retire.

                                  It's been the case since I joined the NHS in 2003 and will be for the foreseeable future.

                                    Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                    Posted by Ok on 5/11/2024, 11:28:37, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                    Is not perfect is an understatement.

                                    It’s in the same mess as us.

                                    At least pick a decent countries health service to learn from.

                                    Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                    Posted by Yep on 5/11/2024, 9:47:26, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                    Exactly this.

                                    Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                    Posted by MG on 5/11/2024, 8:11:25, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                    Yes because 12% budget increases never help anyone do they?

                                      Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                      Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 5/11/2024, 8:20:17, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                      Blindly throwing money at a problem doesn't fix it, the NHS is a prime example, even the most pig headed of socialists must realise that by now

                                        Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                        Posted by MG on 5/11/2024, 8:45:56, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                        That's assuming rather a lot, just because the Tories didn't understand how to use money doesn't mean I have to completely give up hope that this government might just manage to do better with it.

                                        I suspect though that the people working in the NHS will be glad, for example, that the chronic state of repair some of our hospitals are in might be addressed in part at least.

                                          Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                          Posted by m on 5/11/2024, 9:15:51, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                          Can spend more money on diversity officers and ridiculous wages for the CEO instead of investing in nurses

                                            Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                            Posted by MG on 5/11/2024, 9:42:22, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                            Yes that's what seems to have been happening plus of course all the consultants and silly privatisations that make a tidy profits out of taxpayers' money. BUT, this is a NEW government, let's see what they actually do with it.

                                              Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                              Posted by The Outsider on 5/11/2024, 11:10:47, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                              BBC News - NHS consultants earning £200,000 in overtime to tackle backlog - BBC News
                                              https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0lkxl7061o

                                              Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                              Posted by m on 5/11/2024, 10:13:55, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                              Indeed. It's a complete mess. and successive governments haven't done anything about it down the years. Just throwing more money at it isn't the answer

                                                Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                                Posted by Ok on 5/11/2024, 10:39:57, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                                So money won’t work.

                                                More nurses and doctors won’t help.
                                                Updated scanners and MRI ( lowest in Western Europe ) won’t work.
                                                Fixing crumbling buildings won’t work.
                                                Using modern technology won’t work.

                                                Honestly with folk like you swallowing the Tory bullshit it’s no wonder we have the worst cancer survival record in the developed world.

                                                  Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                                  Posted by Hang on on 5/11/2024, 11:01:50, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                                  Money only works if its spent wisely. History tells us that the NHS doesn't manage itself well.

                                                    Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                                    Posted by Ok on 5/11/2024, 11:12:59, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                                    Hence the word “reform”

                                                    I’ve no doubt the NHS is a mess of an organisation that needs radical change from top to bottom.

                                                    What does depriving it of money achieve?

                                                    Weird how the rich and political class who will never use the NHS want its demise don’t you think?

                                                  Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                                  Posted by MG on 5/11/2024, 10:21:50, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                                  Like I said, let's see what actually happens. See if waiting lists start to actually come down for example over the next 2-3 years plus.

                                                  See if repairs start to get done where needed and so on.

                                                  There is no quick fix to the mess we've made of this country but I feel they are taking more long-term decisions rather than just putting sticking plasters on. It's what we desperately need.

                                          Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                          Posted by HHH on 5/11/2024, 8:25:00, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                          The blue rinse brigade are up early

                                          Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                          Posted by Not if on 5/11/2024, 8:13:18, in reply to "Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                          The money goes on pensions and office furniture it doesn’t

                                      Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                      Posted by Not worried on 5/11/2024, 7:40:31, in reply to "Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                      Labour Racist.

                                        Re: Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition

                                        Posted by Alien Nate on 5/11/2024, 7:39:24, in reply to "Now that we have Ghengis Khans sister on opposition "

                                        Ghengis Khan? Lunacy? Fascist?
                                        Rhetoric 🤣

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