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    Admin doesn't think that . . .

    Posted by Archi on 13/10/2024, 19:12:35

    employer NI payment increases will likely cause redundancies. That's fine, but what do others think?

      Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

      Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 13/10/2024, 21:25:00, in reply to "Admin doesn't think that . . ."

      It's funny how political posts have been routinely deleted since we've had a Labour govt. Don't remember that being the policy when the Tories were in power.

        Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

        Posted by EastEnder on 13/10/2024, 21:38:06, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

        When people slagged off the Tories you complained about people talking politics on a football messageboard.

        Now Labour in power you bring politics into as many threads as you can, even if they are not even about politics.

          Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

          Posted by Info on 13/10/2024, 21:32:16, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

          It was asked for and actioned well before the election.

          You're probably one of the reasons for that, promoting your political views on more or less every thread, whether relevant or not.

          You're old enough to take responsibility for your actions, so please do so.

          Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

          Posted by Info on 13/10/2024, 21:02:59, in reply to "Admin doesn't think that . . ."

          Beg your pardon?

          What's that supposed to mean?

            Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

            Posted by Godders on 13/10/2024, 20:55:42, in reply to "Admin doesn't think that . . ."

            Hmmmmm. Always interests me this discussion about taxation and wages for businesses. I get that the more businesses are taxed is likely to result in fewer people being employed and with lower wages because money only goes so far and it's always most stark in small businesses.

            However, if you pay people a crap wage expect them to do a crap job, have no pride in their employment or company - in fact possibly resent them, struggle with employment retention, and generally have a poor working environment with low productivity.
            Whereas a well treated employee is likely to be the exact opposite and really wanting the business to succeed.
            It's a complete false economy penny pinching to pay staff poorly especially when the senior management award themselves wage increases and bonuses - which the lower paid staff have worked hard to create.

            In know this about NI contributions but employment is a direct consequence.

              Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

              Posted by Hang on on 13/10/2024, 21:57:56, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

              You have posted on here many times about how crap your wage is. So are you admitting you do a shit job?

                Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                Posted by Godders on 13/10/2024, 22:32:50, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                No I haven't at all. I don't even get a wage! And since when have I ever said that a crap wage equals a shit job?

                  Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                  Posted by Ffs on 13/10/2024, 22:05:03, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                  How low do you want to go? What a shitty comment

                  Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                  Posted by Bored in Flitwick on 13/10/2024, 21:18:34, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                  Having employed people in the past..the more your fixed costs increase the less you are able to pay in salaries..so if ni employer contribution increase..then there is a good chance hourly rates will not be increased..

                    Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                    Posted by The Outsider on 13/10/2024, 21:16:02, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                    It's a complete false economy penny pinching to pay staff poorly especially when the senior management award themselves wage increases and bonuses - which the lower paid staff have worked hard to create.

                    This is more likely to be true in bigger businesses than very small ones (one or two employees). I know of several businesses where the owner of the business gets less money (and works longer hours) than their staff just to keep the business going.

                    In the main, very small businesses wouldn't be affected by an increase in NI(er) as Employment Allowance means that they don't pay up to £5000 of NI(er) although this doesn't apply to companies with a single director who is the only employee paying NI. Obviously, if the increase takes the form of a reduction in (or the abolition of) Employment Allowance, small businesses would be hardest hit.

                      Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                      Posted by Godders on 13/10/2024, 21:38:20, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                      I don't really know about the whole NI and how it affects business other than it clearly is an additional cost which has to be paid out somehow which, in turn, has a knock-on effect for finance that affects things like employment. I guess it also depends on the specific business as well and I don't doubt that what you cite about some small businesses is correct but I also know the opposite is true too from people who've told me about their work situation.

                      In relation to bigger business when I was a bus driver the turnover of staff was very high, morale was low, pride in the job was almost zero because of the poor pay and working conditions whereby, for example, when a new pay deal was on the table they give an increase in hourly wage but reduce things like signing off time so that instead of being on the clock still whilst queuing for the bus wash at the end of the shift, that time was cut resulting in some employees would just leave their bus in the queue when their shift end time had come and walked off causing absolute chaos.

                      I guess what I'm really saying is that management shouldn't expect staff to have reduced pay and conditions unless they are themselves.

                        Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                        Posted by Mas on 13/10/2024, 22:49:03, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                        A big problem Godders is the number of career MPs who quite frankly have no knowledge of the real world.

                        For example, how can you have a business minister who has never had a proper job, never mind started or run a business?

                          Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                          Posted by The Outsider on 13/10/2024, 23:38:57, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                          One of the problems is that Governments (whatever party they are) have so many reshuffles of the cabinet that you are bound to end up with people in jobs that they don't have the background knowledge and experience for.

                            Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                            Posted by Mas on 13/10/2024, 23:42:21, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                            Totally agree but you'd think they'd start off with someone at least mildly capable having had 14 years to prepare themselves!

                            Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                            Posted by Godders on 13/10/2024, 22:52:21, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                            Good point well made.

                              Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                              Posted by The Outsider on 13/10/2024, 23:36:37, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                              ...or a Chancellor who claims accountancy fees for getting someone else to fill in her tax return (although I must add that some other MPs also claim for this)

                          Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                          Posted by Rule no 1 on 13/10/2024, 21:20:27, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                          Of capitalism.

                          If you don’t make enough profit you don’t have a business.

                            Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                            Posted by Godders on 13/10/2024, 21:40:37, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                            The issue though is how you define "enough". Businesses have to make a profit or they don't exist. It's the greed and inequality that really grates.

                        Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                        Posted by Minimum wage on 13/10/2024, 19:56:59, in reply to "Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                        Anyone remember the Tory cult claimed thousands of Job losses?

                        Oh boy are some so gullible.

                        Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                        Posted by Dave Hedgehog on 13/10/2024, 19:41:24, in reply to "Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                        That manifesto pledges, a country in a shocking state and a 22 billion black hole have given them little or no room for maneuvre.

                        Whatever they do to raise money will hurt somebody somewhere.

                          Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                          Posted by Bloke on 13/10/2024, 19:51:08, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                          He’s just given at least £15 billion to the doctors and rail workers over the next 5 years.

                            Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                            Posted by MG on 13/10/2024, 20:37:20, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                            What would you have done about the doctor's strike which were costing us so much on lost productivity and causing unnecessary suffering for millions?

                              Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                              Posted by Bloke on 13/10/2024, 22:09:26, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                              I would have not let them hold us to ransom. He’s opened the floodgates now. Surely a blind man can see that.

                                Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                                Posted by What? on 13/10/2024, 22:13:17, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                                Everyone will want fair pay and conditions that move with the times and inflation?

                                Boy are you dim.

                                Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                                Posted by Cuba on 13/10/2024, 20:53:46, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                                Quite.

                                The issue is that the last government “got away” with taxing people properly less to try to win their votes. Less tax means less income from taxes and less money for the NHS and government bodies.

                                Doctors were one of the obvious victims of that, the view being that they are already pretty well paid or will be further down the time and they can take the hit.

                                Quite rightly the Doctors said enough is enough.

                                Labour are just trying to fix a problem squarely of the Tory government’s making.

                                But I guess “Bloke” would expect everything for free because we are British or because we had the Magna Carta.

                                  Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                                  Posted by Mas on 13/10/2024, 22:56:02, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                                  Thatcher dropped Labour's 98% top tax rate initially to a 60% max and the total tax raised actually increased.

                                    Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                                    Posted by What? on 13/10/2024, 23:02:37, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                                    Facts.

                                    88%.

                                    A time of unrivalled economic growth.

                                    She raised VAT.

                                    Apart from that yep.

                                      Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                                      Posted by Mas on 13/10/2024, 23:38:16, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                                      Better let Wiki know they're wrong then and if you believe Thatcher came to power in "a time of unrivalled economic growth" might I suggest you do a little research or talk to someone who lived through the 70s.

                                      "In 1971 the top rate of income tax on earned income was cut to 75%. A surcharge of 15% kept the top rate on investment income at 90%. In 1974 the cut was partly reversed and the top rate on earned income was raised to 83%. With the investment income surcharge, this raised the top rate on investment income to 98% – the highest permanent rate since the war.[citation needed] This applied to incomes over £20,000 (equivalent to £263,269 in 2023).[7]"



                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom#:~:text=A%20surcharge%20of%2015%25%20kept,permanent%20rate%20since%20the%20war.

                                        Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                                        Posted by What? on 13/10/2024, 23:42:47, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                                        You would be better doing your own research.

                                        Even a basic understanding of logic would tell you if you cut tax by 30% and revenue increases it means either one of two things.

                                        1. Crooks have decided to go straight and pay tax.
                                        2 economic growth.

                                        No 3 does not exist.

                                          Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                                          Posted by Mas on 13/10/2024, 23:58:30, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                                          It caused the economy to grow, primarily because it incentivised work, entrepreneurship, investment and reversed the brain drain.

                                          Unfortunately it would appear that Rachel hasn't done any research either.

                                            Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                                            Posted by Liz truss on 14/10/2024, 18:07:28, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                                            I tried this approach and crashed the economy.

                                            Trying to give the rich more tax cuts with an economy that has been stagnant at best for two decades is moronic as proved.

                                            Thank got RR is not an idiot.

                                              Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                                              Posted by What? on 14/10/2024, 0:06:27, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                                              A sorry you was right was all you needed.

                                              Don't forget VAT increase.

                                              As for the above drivel. Have a giant lol.

                                                Re: Admin doesn't think that . . .

                                                Posted by Mas on 14/10/2024, 16:54:00, in reply to "Re: Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                                                Why would I apologise to myself for being right?

                                                No wonder you're so confused.

                              So Mr know it all

                              Posted by Cuba on 13/10/2024, 19:25:04, in reply to "Admin doesn't think that . . ."

                              How would you plug the £22bn pound deficit?

                              And fund the NHS properly?

                              Come on, contribute your obvious wisdom.

                                Re: So Mr know it all

                                Posted by Blind man on 14/10/2024, 8:35:28, in reply to "So Mr know it all "

                                What £22bn deficit?
                                Just repeating that 1 line doesn't make it true.
                                Zzzzz

                                  Re: So Mr know it all

                                  Posted by Deaf man on 14/10/2024, 10:01:18, in reply to "Re: So Mr know it all "

                                  Just because the Tories deny it does not make it untrue.


                                  Zzzz.

                                  Re: So Mr know it all

                                  Posted by Oh dear on 13/10/2024, 19:27:50, in reply to "So Mr know it all "

                                  Can we just agree the PR and spin behind it is fucking woeful?

                                  Labour definitely need a spin doctor as they seem incapable of managing a narrative at the moment.

                                    Re: So Mr know it all

                                    Posted by Trainspotter on 13/10/2024, 20:00:58, in reply to "Re: So Mr know it all "

                                    Spin dr ? haha they are just idiots with a moron in charge , JC would have been a better leader.
                                    Even the union recognise they are clueless. Another 4 years will be if painful if they go the distance.

                                      Re: So Mr know it all

                                      Posted by MG on 13/10/2024, 20:34:40, in reply to "Re: So Mr know it all "

                                      They will if for no other reason than that there is absolutely no credible opposition.

                                        Re: So Mr know it all

                                        Posted by In fairness on 13/10/2024, 21:28:05, in reply to "Re: So Mr know it all "

                                        There wasn't before the last GE yet here we are.

                                      Re: So Mr know it all

                                      Posted by Cuba on 13/10/2024, 19:33:32, in reply to "Re: So Mr know it all "

                                      CSD still around????

                                        Re: So Mr know it all

                                        Posted by The Outsider on 13/10/2024, 20:26:07, in reply to "Re: So Mr know it all "

                                        What about the poor bloke at the PSF at Bedford accused by Langford Hat of being CSD

                                          Re: So Mr know it all

                                          Posted by Cuba on 13/10/2024, 20:47:30, in reply to "Re: So Mr know it all "

                                          I hesitate to say this but I assume you mean he accused you?!!!



                                            Re: So Mr know it all

                                            Posted by The Outsider on 14/10/2024, 8:59:05, in reply to "Re: So Mr know it all "

                                            No, not at all. He accused someone who soon became surrounded by a group of others.

                                          Re: So Mr know it all

                                          Posted by Oh dear on 13/10/2024, 19:36:41, in reply to "Re: So Mr know it all "

                                          Haha. Blast from the past. Probably brown bread like Bill Tomlins

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