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    It is not just RE that needs to change

    Posted by Frog Hatter on 7/10/2024, 11:48:13

    RE is putting round pegs in square holes. If he does this and we get thumped by the scum how can he stay…

    - recruitment wise we have got it wrong the last 2 windows. Last Jan we were in pole position to stay up and should have strengthened.
    - Pelly deserved his shot at the Prem but loyalty has been over extended. He should have been given a hero’s send off over the summer
    - Woodrow, Hashioka, McGuiness, are not good enough. Taylor is not fancied by RE so should have been loaned out. The prob is we failed to spend a bit extra on transfers so lost out on our targets…Tom Cannon…
    - Wilkinson stating we will not sack the Manager backs the Board into a corner - what happens if the scum give us a pasting?
    - Sweet is a legend and should continue to focus on developing the ground and infrastructure of the club.

    We are no longer a small club - maybe now is the time for a Director of football and an experienced head of recruitment.

      Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

      Posted by Music Critic on 7/10/2024, 15:19:13, in reply to "It is not just RE that needs to change"

      If he does this and we get thumped by the scum how can he stay…

      If Edwards is still here for the Watford game (which he will be) then win, lose or draw he may as well stay on until the November international break and if we're still struggling by then it's time for the club to make a decision

      I know that sounds strange but, in my view, if he takes the Watford game and loses, well, the horse has bolted the stable then. The bad start has been made worse by losing to them so what would sacking him do at that stage? He can hang around and suffer with the rest of us and try and work out what the fuck is going on and do something about it. Make him earn his money instead of giving him a (part) pay-off

      I know the weakness of that plan. There will be another 5 games until the next international break for him to potentially fuck up but, at that stage, we may as well see what will happen. If he's still looking scrambled and out of ideas and if the team still looks tepid and confused, then the club will probably be forced to act

        Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

        Posted by Yup on 7/10/2024, 14:20:13, in reply to "It is not just RE that needs to change"

        It seems like we are not only aiming to be the first team to go from conference to PL, but also from PL to Conference!

        Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

        Posted by Old hat on 7/10/2024, 13:20:28, in reply to "It is not just RE that needs to change"

        But its not just spending a bit more on transfers is it? Its breaking our wage structure that is enabling us to survive as a club. If you had brought Tom Cannon in on 20k a week and the rest are on 15 it would cause disharmony and problems.

          Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

          Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 7/10/2024, 12:23:52, in reply to "It is not just RE that needs to change"

          I think your last sentence sums up our problem, we’re not a small club but we’re certainly not a big one. We’ll have received a lot of money from the Prem, but much of that will go on PC and a significantly larger wage bill, there are much “bigger” clubs in the division who generate multiples of our income on an ongoing basis. I think the recruitment team made the mistake of believing we were a better draw than we are. Consolidation in the division until PC is imo the way forward

            Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

            Posted by Newton on 7/10/2024, 14:34:01, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

            Fully agree. If you offered me decent mid to upper mid table finishes in the next three years, I would take that.

            Maybe with a sneaky playoff finish one year just for fun.

            People seem to think we're a big team in this league. We're not. We just have money - for now.

              Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

              Posted by Lutonian on 7/10/2024, 14:17:45, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

              "I think the recruitment team made the mistake of believing we were a better draw than we are."

              100% and Edwards too.

              I remember him being interviewed before Slovenia talking about how excited he was with the quality of players agents were now contacting the club about.

              I suspect we waited and got caught out, particularly with the Premiership loans. Edwards spoke about those publicly and we didn't end up with any.

                "I think the recruitment team made the mistake of believing we were a better draw than we are"

                Posted by Lets go shopping on 7/10/2024, 12:28:40, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

                That's an interesting view, possibly some truth in that.

                Personally I think its some of that but also the fact that our "targets" were all expecting far more than we would pay.

                Either we adjust our wage structure or be more realistic about some more modest ambitions.

                Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

                Posted by shotgun on 7/10/2024, 12:08:45, in reply to "It is not just RE that needs to change"

                +1

                  Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

                  Posted by The Outsider on 7/10/2024, 11:55:49, in reply to "It is not just RE that needs to change"

                  Woodrow was probably our best outfield player on Saturday - a low bar, admittedly, but we improved a lot after he (and Brown) came on. He did well in midfield on Tuesday as well.

                  We wanted to buy Cannon but Leicester were only prepared to loan him so it wasn't a case of spending a bit extra.

                    Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

                    Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 7/10/2024, 12:53:39, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

                    Should have taken him on loan then

                      Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

                      Posted by Dave on 7/10/2024, 11:57:14, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

                      Was Cannon the only target then? And what was wrong with loaning him?!

                      Other teams have got prem loans and they’re doing well.

                        Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

                        Posted by Frog Hatter on 7/10/2024, 12:06:34, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

                        The Prem loans are vital to do well. Nakamba made the difference for our promotion.
                        To be fair to RE we have too many 1st team players that have been out or not fully fit and having to be managed…Nakamba, Bell, Morris, Moses, Brown,

                        Other than avoiding relegation the season is done. It isn’t going to help with strengthening in Jan - ideally, Pelly, Taylor and Woodrow are replaced with a couple of quality loans. Then we buy replacements next summer.

                          Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

                          Posted by The Outsider on 7/10/2024, 13:16:04, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

                          Other than avoiding relegation the season is done.

                          Not saying that we will get to the play-offs (and it does look very unlikely at the moment) but the last two seasons in this division we have won two of the first nine and still reached the play-offs.

                          It would need a good run which doesn't currently look likely but the same could have been said at this stage in those other seasons.

                            Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

                            Posted by RADSB on 7/10/2024, 12:10:54, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

                            We looked at the bloke who scored twice on Saturday but Palace wanted £1m up front for his loan. They know we have money so prices go up. Another club wanted us to play a loan player in 75% of games so that fell through.

                              Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

                              Posted by Ampthill Mob on 7/10/2024, 16:17:51, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

                              He’s tore Walter’s a new one on Saturday. Looked well worth a million pound loan fee.

                                Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

                                Posted by RADSB on 7/10/2024, 16:22:57, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

                                Felt sorry for Ruell, right footer playng on the left in only his 5th EFL start.

                                Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

                                Posted by Lets go shopping on 7/10/2024, 12:17:15, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

                                with respect, if we can't develop or buy players of the quality we need then what gives?

                                We saw what £1m buys and we have also seen what £0 buys....Walsh etc.

                                Personally think £1m for a Prem Loan is probably better value than a panic £8m for a defender from Cardiff...

                                  Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

                                  Posted by Lutonian on 7/10/2024, 14:21:23, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

                                  and better than 4 million on an unproven 20 year old from the Swedish leagues that we can't actually have until January.

                                  My god he better be good...

                                    Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

                                    Posted by RADSB on 7/10/2024, 12:25:40, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

                                    Fair point. I was pointing out that it's not straightforward and your post supports that. Our recruitment of McGuinness may have been due to the CB injuries and because we thought Menghi was off. He seems overpriced atm but we'll be able to judge better after a few years.

                              Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

                              Posted by The Outsider on 7/10/2024, 12:01:25, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

                              He was the one referred to in the post that I was replying to.

                              No idea why we didn't want him on loan (it's something that we prefer not to do) - that is what was reported at the time.

                                Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

                                Posted by Lets go shopping on 7/10/2024, 12:09:16, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

                                Isn't it time we changed some of these policies, life moves on and we are getting left behind.

                                  Re: It is not just RE that needs to change

                                  Posted by m on 7/10/2024, 13:53:42, in reply to "Re: It is not just RE that needs to change"

                                  If we have to stump up for a loan so be it. If he's a good player and will make us a better team.
                                  some of the money that's been handed out to players way past their best in the last few years as well

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