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Robbie Edwards
Posted by Desperate Dan on 6/10/2024, 11:04:16
Doesn't deserve the vitriol from some, infact it's disgusting some of the stuff being said and shouted at him. He is a decent human being, cut him some slack ffs. It's all about beating the scum now. He needs our backing as well as the players. Beat the Harry Potter Appreciation Society and we can build from there. Going into a meltdown isn't helping. I know football is a results based business but just calm down.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Rory on 6/10/2024, 14:47:12, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
You are right on every count ,I just hope RE is ok
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Just an observation on 6/10/2024, 13:59:20, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
I think most agree that he is clearly doing all that he can to reverse the trend, but being a decent bloke does not necessarily solve the problem. Perhaps some of our players need a right bastard to refocus their minds?
Unfortunately, when the football being served up is so very poor, how else do fans show their concerns. Whilst clearly well meaning, Wilkinson's recent programme notes may have the opposite impact hoped for?
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Gloria Stits on 6/10/2024, 13:17:54, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
Touching post but keeping him in the role purely on the fact that he’s a “ decent bloke “ is the problem.
4 wins in 2024 is the important fact
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Terry on 6/10/2024, 13:05:55, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
Posted by Hatsworth on 6/10/2024, 13:51:30, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Probably still is to be fair.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Not again on 6/10/2024, 12:37:16, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
Yes, he's a decent bloke, that doesn't make him the right manager at this time. Shefford Utd 2nd in league, Burnley 3rd in league. Don't tell me there isn't something drastically wrong...
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Garstang Hatter on 6/10/2024, 13:49:44, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
If Shefford United are second in the league, then I agree that something is drastically wrong...
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Not again on 6/10/2024, 14:12:29, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Only unbeaten team in the division.......
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Garstang Hatter on 6/10/2024, 14:23:50, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Whoosh.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Jimbo1 on 6/10/2024, 12:14:33, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
You said the same after the first few games. We will know where we are after 10 games was touted by the usuals, well 9 games in I think we all know where we are.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Ampthill Mob on 6/10/2024, 12:13:13, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
Giving him abuse is wrong but he needs to realise people are unhappy. The tactics and team selection is baffling, recruitment for the last two windows has been poor. Pre season was poor and lots could see this run coming and were all shouted down. Credit is running very low IMO and things need to improve, and quickly.
Losing games is one thing, I certainly dont think we have a Devine right to turn up and win every week. losing in the manner we are is something else. Having No desire by or fight is unacceptable.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Leeds Hatter on 6/10/2024, 11:59:36, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
Blimey DD is anything but a happy clapper. He’s just calling for unity before the biggest game of the season, makes complete sense to me.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Ummm on 6/10/2024, 11:39:49, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
what don't you understand about 'a result based business'?
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Bloody hell on 6/10/2024, 11:38:56, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
RE looked like a broken man yesterday.
I suspect he knows his time will shortly be up.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Notorious D on 6/10/2024, 11:30:36, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
How long do you give him DD?
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Desperate Dan on 6/10/2024, 11:37:40, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
That is the million dollar question. Depends on all sorts of variables. It's how long the support give him in many ways isn't it. The atmosphere inside the stadium on match days can be one of joy or absolute dog shit. I think it's starting to be the latter. If he survives to the scum game and then beats them and can get a few more wins and draws there after who knows. Lose to the yellow bellies and well there is mo hiding place is there.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Notorious D on 6/10/2024, 12:44:12, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Agree largely. I would give him the next 4-5 games. The table generally starts to take an accurate shape after 15 games, when you have played the majority of teams once. In most recent seasons, we usually start very slow, and find our feet and a bit of momentum in around October.
I am concerned about the manner of the performances and the growing discontent (rightly) around the fanbase, manager and players. I’ve been involved in football long enough to know and see when a manager is on his last legs. Unfortunately, it feels very much like this now.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Ampthill Mob on 6/10/2024, 12:14:31, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
After Watford we have Coventry who are just above us. Lose both of those and we’re in big trouble.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Correction on 6/10/2024, 12:18:08, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
After Watford literally 3 days later we have Sunderland at home....
Two absolutely huge games, both now must wins.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Eddie on 6/10/2024, 11:22:21, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
Then he needs to get out before the Watford game because the abuse he’s getting at the moment will be nothing compared to that if we lose
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Music Critic on 6/10/2024, 11:19:10, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
Losing isn't a worry in of itself but more the manner of those losses. It's alarming
But it's not just on Edwards. A lot of the players have got to look at themselves. This club gave virtually all of them a big break. It'd be nice of some of them to remember that
I liked Burke's interview on 3CR last night. He's one of the very few who is playing well
But, yes, we need to try and forget it for that 2 or so hours on the 19th and get behind them and create the intimidating version of KR again which hasn't been seen since the Everton game. Their away form is shite so let's play our part in making it horrible for them. If they wilt at the red hot football cauldrons that are a half-empty Deepdale and Carrow Road, then who knows
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Gtai63 on 6/10/2024, 12:14:45, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Half empty Carrow Road ? They get a full house every game, over 26,000 yesterday. If there were any gaps they were in the away end.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Music Critic on 6/10/2024, 12:18:29, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
I said a half-empty Deepdale and Carrow Road as in I was only referring to Deepdale being half empty
Carrow Road is just a morgue. What's the point in having 25K gates when everyone is sitting in silence?
Definitely agree with that last point, everything must be put aside by one and all to make it unpleasant for them, even if we are playing badly or behind.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Music Critic on 6/10/2024, 12:12:20, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
...even if we are playing badly or behind.
That's the worry. I fear for the atmosphere if that happens. Obviously if we had 4 or 5 more points and were playing well, falling behind wouldn't be an issue. But with how the season has gone so far, I can see the atmosphere dying a death is we're trailing
If you can't get behind the team against them (unless obviously it becomes a genuinely hopeless situation) you shouldn't go.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Just an observation on 6/10/2024, 14:04:08, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Unfortunately, we all know exactly what the Watford fans will start singing if/when we go behind
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Notorious D on 6/10/2024, 12:31:27, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Agreed with that sentiment. Depends largely if we’re being rolled over, 2 or 3 down.. some will stay silent and others will turn abusive.
I think we’ve got to come out swinging like a wounded animal, including all supporters, players, staff. We have to make it like the atmosphere in 2023, to give ourselves a chance.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Music Critic on 6/10/2024, 12:48:19, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
If the season had started ok and we were playing, generally, alright but went 2 down against them I think the fans would still stay with them
But that's not the context the game will be played in so the backing will be more brittle
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Notorious D on 6/10/2024, 13:01:21, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Agreed. I think we all need to park our current frustrations/anger/disappointment for this one though.
We all collectively, have to give everything for 90 mins (although that will be very hard if we’re being battered). The thought of being turned over by the scum, on our own patch, makes my skin crawl and should be something we do not allow, by being passive.
Posted by Music Critic on 6/10/2024, 13:11:34, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Oh, I agree. Totally. But it won't be the fans' fault if we lose
Throwing abuse is shit though. What does that achieve?
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Notorious D on 6/10/2024, 14:17:16, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
I agree; it’s usually the same type of people that blame the fans when things go wrong. I actually think as a whole, we’ve been very patient, whereas many other fanbases would have turned by now.
Yeah personal abuse won’t help at all, but I can understand fans venting their frustrations and booing at the end of the game, if the performances are consistently sub par.
We’re in danger of creating a inferiority complex, where we just accept any old shit and sleepwalk our way to another relegation battle. Sometimes, the players/ management need to be told that they won’t be given a free ride and hope that this instigates a positive, siege type mentality.
I don't think anyone is blaming the fans are they?
Just suggesting we do our bit to help rather than hinder if possible.
That's a long way from blaming the fans though.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Notorious D on 6/10/2024, 15:01:08, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
There are people blaming fans for getting on the managers back, and piling the pressure on. To an extent on here, but mainly on twitter, there’s a clear divide between younger and older fans. The older fans laying blame at the door of ‘newbie’ fans, who are expecting too much, because we were in the conference ten years ago etc.
Well getting at the manager and players makes it harder for them, so yeah, that little bit of the blame can be fairly apportioned to them. But in the main, it isn't the fans fault that the team has performed poorly.
And there is no one set of fans that is doing it, or one age group as far as I can see. It's across the board, some do, some don't.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Notorious D on 6/10/2024, 15:45:34, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Generally I’d agree that voicing your displeasure isn’t helpful, however there’s times when giving the players/manager a rocket up the arse can help inspire a reaction. We’re in danger of creating an Inferiority complex, which contradicts the clubs public ambitions, pre season.
I maintain that some fans have blamed fellow supporters, for playing a part in our predicament. I’ve seen many comments of this type on twitter, hatters talk and on here. The support at games has been generally good and patient. People then want to vent their frustrations online after the game, which is all very normal.
Ultimately, it becomes toxic when we’re fighting amongst each other, because people don’t like/can’t handle that every human being is different, and react differently to triggering events; aka the ‘bed wetter’ and ‘happy flapper’ comments from polarising sides. That’s when I would start apportioning blame on the fanbase.
Fair enough, and to be fair I rarely venture on to Twitter, I have an account but if ever there was a breeding ground of toxicity then X marks the spot.
To me it is already toxic, it's the repeated need to vent the same opinions over and over again and try to shout down anyone that might disagree or try to offer a counter argument that I find the hardest to understand. For certain people it seems like a crusade and immediately they turn against a manager or one or more players then it becomes a crusade. And to an extent it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Music Critic on 6/10/2024, 12:29:21, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Maybe. You can't blame people for feeling deflated (and bored) at us being poor, though, especially against them
We keep getting told players and managers aren't perfect. Fine. Nor are fans.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by MG on 6/10/2024, 11:17:58, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
Well said.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 6/10/2024, 11:15:39, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
+ 1
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Floater on 6/10/2024, 11:14:08, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
Noticed that many of the terrace grumblers are older supporters. Maybe it’s simply the British culture for that age group? I’m part of it! Must re-double efforts to get behind the players and staff. Rob will turn it around, starting with Watford.
We have definitely been through worse. Forza John Still. Forza Mick Harford.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Grumpy on 6/10/2024, 12:04:59, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Both sacked after a poor run
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Desperate Dan on 6/10/2024, 11:19:13, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
We've been in the basement can it get any worse than that,the nervous breakdown is laughable. Beat the scum and stop their charge and things will look a whole lot different. RE has got to start to getting results though. If we are still stuttering around Christmas time it's going to be bloody poisonous. Lose to the scum and it's not going to be pleasant for him.or the players.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by MIDFIELD on 6/10/2024, 11:08:05, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
The board are equally culpable.
Pre season planning was a disgrace.
In my 50 years of a hatter I’ve never seen a squad so ill prepared and disjointed.
It was clear in pre season what a mess we were in.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Desperate Dan on 6/10/2024, 11:11:42, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
They had identified replacements but they didn't come off. Due to the Euros everything was delayed, by the time it came to do the business things had moved on and no time to sort things out. Of course it didn't help with agents turning players heads and causing disharmony.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Bed wetter on 6/10/2024, 12:08:04, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Keep clapping you prick
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Oh Dear on 6/10/2024, 12:38:52, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
What a well thought out, eloquent contribution to the discussion.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by MIDFIELD on 6/10/2024, 11:19:01, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Understand that but other clubs also faced this issue.
Posted by division watcher on 6/10/2024, 11:06:44, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
yup fully agree
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by You what? on 6/10/2024, 11:05:43, in reply to "Robbie Edwards"
He’s useless though
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by division watcher on 6/10/2024, 11:46:08, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
prove it troll
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Desperate Dan on 6/10/2024, 11:09:01, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Prey tell who is going to cone in. Please don't say that Judas fuck at Charlton. Something isn't right here is it. Don't know whether stuff is going on behind the scenes but something isn't right.
Could it be we have a couple of bad apples in the camp?
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Dunstable Dave on 6/10/2024, 11:43:25, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
My money is on the nonce David Pleat. He is normally in the area looking for talent.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Armchair hatter on 6/10/2024, 11:17:59, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Let's not over think it. I think the problem is that Rob is asking players to change their style of play to a more possession based style but without Barkley we dont have enough techinical quality and its sapped all the confidence out of the players. We need to go back to basics and to the style, work rate and intensity that got us to the prem. First and foremost that would make us harder to beat and we would have a solid foundation to work from while our forwards try to find a bit of form.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Desperate Dan on 6/10/2024, 11:23:06, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
And there in lies the problem, Ross Barkley. How do you replace someone like him. You can't unless you spend a huge amount of money to do so. Agree with you.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Ampthill Mob on 6/10/2024, 12:18:34, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
We had 6 months to scout around a try and find a replacement for Ross, but we obviously didn’t want to spend any money. So We replaced him with Shandon Baptiste. Who looks decent , but won’t play more than 20 games this season due to injuries.
Nakamba also unfortunately looks miles off the player he was, which is a shame.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Hatsworth2nd on 6/10/2024, 11:25:36, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Everything we did positive last season pretty much came through ross barkley. Such a massive loss unfortunately.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Flash on 6/10/2024, 11:54:48, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Agree re Barkley. We are now ending up with 40% possession. Midfield cannot hold on to the ball and have limited options to pass ahead of them.
Re: Robbie Edwards
Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 6/10/2024, 12:11:22, in reply to "Re: Robbie Edwards"
Agreed, but we got promoted playing like that imo with a worse squad. The problem is RE (for lots of good reasons) is trying to get the team to play technical football without a technician in the team. RB of all people realises this and has urged a return to the style of 2 years ago, which RE should do for short term stability and start building again from there
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