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    The sword of Damocles

    Posted by Cracker on 6/10/2024, 10:05:34

    I think there is no getting round it, this is a sorry state of affairs. Yes it’s not the Westley, or Lawrence or Hill era, nor is it the Money or Buckle era of the conference, yes we’ve still got a very well run club, but it’s still pretty bleak. It’s bleak for the supporter that has to sit through it. It’s bleak for those who have only just joined us and watched an upward trajectory of the past 10 years, and it’s bleak for those of us here before that. It’s not bleak bleak no, but it makes for bleak watching.

    I like Edwards. He’s a nice guy and he’s dashingly handsome and he has the respect of the players. But let’s face it, don’t you think he’s a bit too nice? he took NJ’s well drilled team up with a few additions possibly already identified prior to Jan. He put his mark on it last year and whilst we gave a few people a bloody nose and we won some friends, it was failure. We’ve kept the majority of players (bar the ones we simply weren’t going to keep) this season and we’ve looked turgid. Devoid of ideas, inspiration and character. How have fallen so far from grace?

    With any manager, it gets to a point where you know they’re struggling and it’s a final roll of the dice. They make hairbrained tactical and personnel decisions, they play a goalkeeper upfront or something ridiculous, in a vain and desperate attempt to get a tune. Any tune. It is a major marker that they are out of ideas. There is always a player scapegoat and there is always a hero player, who doesn’t get a game, that if only he did, it would all be okay. It invariably doesn’t work, and they fall on their sword. It’s a story as old as time.

    I think we are at that place after yesterday.

    But if you ask me (and you probably won’t), I’d stick with Edwards until Christmas. I think that’s fair. I always felt this would be a consolidation season and I’d be happy with top ten. And I think we can get there, I genuinely do. But if I’m Sweet and co, I’d be saying “abandon your new principles Robert, think of the team and not yourself. Get us out of this’. Because it isn’t working. Go back to the team that was impossible to beat. A dog rough kick and bite team. Get the fans back on side. Lead the charge.

    We can blame recruitment of the past two windows, we can blame the board for sitting on piles of cash, we can blame whoever. But in the cold light of day, these players, this group, as individuals, should be top 10. So your attention has to turn to the manager…

      Re: The sword of Damocles

      Posted by Lutonian on 6/10/2024, 10:43:21, in reply to "The sword of Damocles "

      What you are asking of Edwards is to admit to his squad of players that he has got it wrong - and much of what they have been coached from preseason onwards has been in vain. Some will react well, others will find it demoralising, others will lose faith.

      It also makes the assumption that Edwards knows exactly how to get us back to a team that was hard to beat. Nathan was a big part of constructing that team, and building that spirit over consecutive seasons, and many of those players have left. It will not be as easy as flicking a switch particularly if our new players joined because they bought into Rob’s free flowing philosophy and promise of Premier League football.





        Re: The sword of Damocles

        Posted by Cracker on 6/10/2024, 10:52:29, in reply to "Re: The sword of Damocles "

        No, and I get that. You make a good point. We’ve definitely lost something, but 14 members of that squad are still here, it can’t all be about Potts, Berry, Bradley, Lansbury and Muskwe. But he galvanised this bunch after the hurt of losing jones. He kept it simple. He knows what to do. Will he do it? Will the players do it for him? I don’t know… that is a fair point.

        Re: The sword of Damocles

        Posted by Silverstone hatter on 6/10/2024, 10:29:02, in reply to "The sword of Damocles "

        Agree with that assessment

        It seems he has tried to get the players to play like Komany Burnley a couple of years ago

        We don’t have the players, and certainly not the tempo to play this way - it only works if you play 2 touch and forward - which we can’t or are scared to do

        9 game experiment - it’s a failed experiment - 2 weeks to get back to being a physical aggressive team with 2 up front and that tempo that no team likes playing against….

        I’d never take Jones back - but the physicality, aggression and tempo were the minimum expectations - it’s a formula that RE improved upon - get back to that

        And don’t want to see the top gear presenter in the team until he’s spent a month on the bench learning to be a Luton player

        Agree - Edwards has about 8 games to fix things - if he persists with this bollocks against watfraud then he can go on the 20th…

          Re: The sword of Damocles

          Posted by RM on 6/10/2024, 10:26:16, in reply to "The sword of Damocles "

          Why do so many posters see this as a consolidation season and post they are happy with top 10. If we had been promoted to this division then yes, its fair comment. I don't buy that being relegated from the most competitive division in the world warrants mediocrity the following season. Surely it should be the clubs and fans ambition and target to get back to that most competitive division.
          We often see clubs sack their manager when relegated from the Premier League. We all comment, what did their board of director's expect? There's usually no way any promoted club can compete financially.

          I am beginning to wonder, if having a complete reset and change manager is the best option after being relegated from the Premier League, regardless of how popular he has been.

            Re: The sword of Damocles

            Posted by Just like to say on 6/10/2024, 10:32:15, in reply to "Re: The sword of Damocles "

            Unfortunately too 10 is all we can hope for now and that seems a million miles away, it certainly wasn’t what I was hoping for or expecting pre season and nor was it what 2020 or RE was hoping for.
            The usual suspects on here are saying now that they were hoping for top 10 but that is a lie and they’re just covering their tracks.

              Re: The sword of Damocles

              Posted by Cracker on 6/10/2024, 10:42:24, in reply to "Re: The sword of Damocles "

              I genuinely felt (I think I posted at the time) and still do, that the playoffs and promotion back would be too far out of reach for us this season. I just had a hunch, call me a pessimist if you will. I think it is right for the board, the manager and the players to have/to have had, promotion aspirations. Sure. Absolutely.

              I just felt we would come back down to earth with a bump, and with the likes of Leeds, Sheff U and Burnley, it may be too much. I didn’t expect this, but I didn’t think we’d piss it either.

            Re: The sword of Damocles

            Posted by Mike 1953 on 6/10/2024, 10:19:25, in reply to "The sword of Damocles "

            Totally agree, let’s get behind the Manager & the players , they need us

              Re: The sword of Damocles

              Posted by Winged Hatter on 6/10/2024, 10:17:24, in reply to "The sword of Damocles "

              I read it all !

              And actually agree !

              Unusual response for on here I know so will probably be removed.

                Re: The sword of Damocles

                Posted by Spud on 6/10/2024, 10:07:19, in reply to "The sword of Damocles "

                Fell asleep after first line

                  Re: The sword of Damocles

                  Posted by Cracker on 6/10/2024, 10:12:14, in reply to "Re: The sword of Damocles "

                  Thanks mate.

                  I’ve given you a synopsis ( Si- nop- sis : which means a brief outline) if you manage to wake up from your slumber and hold your attention on something for over 6 seconds.

                  We are shit, not shit shit, but pretty shit.
                  It’s the managers fault
                  I’d give him until Christmas

                    Re: The sword of Damocles

                    Posted by Spud on 6/10/2024, 10:13:01, in reply to "Re: The sword of Damocles "

                    Ok understood, thanks zzzzzzx

                      Re: The sword of Damocles

                      Posted by Ken Ilworth on 6/10/2024, 10:30:38, in reply to "Re: The sword of Damocles "

                      Difficult to "consolidate" from the relegation zone

                        Re: The sword of Damocles

                        Posted by Cracker on 6/10/2024, 10:46:14, in reply to "Re: The sword of Damocles "

                        No it isn’t, Jesus wept. We’re 9 games in. Yes, a miserable turgid 9 games. A worrying nine games. But many many teams have had poor starts to the season and good finishes. I believe we will find our feet and I still think we can finish in the top half. But things do need to change and inside the next 4-5 games for me. RE is losing the fan base and making strange decisions. Can he brining it back? He was the right man 8 weeks ago…

                          Re: The sword of Damocles

                          Posted by Sick boy on 6/10/2024, 16:51:48, in reply to "Re: The sword of Damocles "

                          On what basis do you see us finding our feet? We've played 9 pretty shocking games. I'm struggling to see the crumbs of comfort

                            Re: The sword of Damocles

                            Posted by Lord Fungusbottom on 6/10/2024, 13:47:27, in reply to "Re: The sword of Damocles "

                            It’s nine bad games though. With a little luck we could have had a few more points but we’ve also been lucky to get some of the few we have. Nothing on the pitch has been working. The way the league has panned out so far we’re not that far from the playoff places but we soon have to make the choice as a club if this season is a fight for promotion or for survival. It’s quite obvious we need a fresh start, but if that means a new manager, a new system or new players I don’t know.

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