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    The nothing works thread below

    Posted by SAHB on 17/9/2024, 17:57:04

    The NHS is wonderful, but has been ruined by both parties with the Tories being worse as they genuinely don't give a fuck where Labour had good intentions and got the waiting times down, but saddled it with more debt.

    I think with an ageing population there should be purpose built hospitals for the over 70s which can work with social care.

    Agencies and procurement companies are fleecing the NHS as they do elsewhere, get rid.

    I general the country is fucked because of greed, I have been driving the length of the country today and noticed Lorry's get charged £38 to overnight at service stations, where as pretty much the whole of Europe is free.

    The biggest companies all expect to keep growing and if their profits go down from 500m to say 400m it is seen as failure with power companies being the worst.

    There needs to big changes to get things right and I don't see anyone having the will to get it done.

      Re: The nothing works thread below

      Posted by Desperate Dan on 17/9/2024, 19:23:17, in reply to "The nothing works thread below"

      Greed is good. It started back in the 80s. Has grown and grown and seeped into every day living. There is no civic pride or responsibility anywhere. Corporate company's see everyone and everything as something to be exploited to the max with the bottom line being profit at all costs. Its a mad philosophy that is destroying everything. Governments are in on the act rather than making everyone's life better, it is about expanding the economy sucking in ever more resources to chase the green dragon. Quite depressing isn't it. I think we are back to the early 70s when this country was described as the sickman of Europe. We are worse than that now as we own nothing (but we will be happy). Labour has been in a couple of months and it feels like years.

        Re: The nothing works thread below

        Posted by SAHB on 17/9/2024, 20:07:10, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

        Tend to agree, Although people had less back in the 70s there was still some civic pride.
        I am not against capitalism just the extremes we have now.
        I am not one who thinks things are worse. Generally, I think most people's lives are far better than in the 70,s.

        Technology has made things less Labour intensive, people as a whole are more tolerant although people think the contrary we live in peaceful times, we were very fearful of nuclear attacks back then with the cold war in full swing. There was more conflict in the world back then.

        In the early 70,s many didn't have central heating let alone winter fuel payments.

        In general people had less but were more content, expectations are much higher now

        The levels of corporate greed now could never have be contemplated back then.

          Re: The nothing works thread below

          Posted by Yep on 17/9/2024, 19:44:51, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

          While getting rid of the corrupt kernts was great, labour or the fake labour are just following the old Tories before fatty destroyed them.

          Austerity. May and Cameron.
          Attack the vulnerable. May and Cameron.
          Promote the corps. May and Cameron.
          Protect the rich. May and Cameron.

          It’s depressing stuff if they carry on like this.

          Bring back old labour.

          Re: The nothing works thread below

          Posted by Doctor Ince on 17/9/2024, 19:04:13, in reply to "The nothing works thread below"

          Bang on

            Re: The nothing works thread below

            Posted by Godders on 17/9/2024, 18:42:40, in reply to "The nothing works thread below"

            You make some excellent points.

              Re: The nothing works thread below

              Posted by Mr T on 17/9/2024, 19:58:55, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

              Seriously? It’s one of the most ridiculous posts on here for a while, and that’s saying a lot.

              The NHS isn’t wonderful. It’s a grand idea which costs an absolute fortune, is (and always has been) subject to blackmail by the BMA, isn’t working well in many areas, and is desperately in need of reform.

              Whilst the reforms they attempted may have caused more problems than they solved, to say that the Tories don’t give a fuck is just a dumb, clearly ridiculous statement.

              It isn’t saddled with debt, it is funded every year by the government, and any debt in there is effectively that of the government, ie us. What it IS saddled with is a massive liability for hugely expensive and unfunded final salary pension schemes.

              As for the question of overnight parking charges for lorries, they may be unreasonable, but to extrapolate that to the country being “fucked by greed” is quite a leap.


                Re: The nothing works thread below

                Posted by Decent post spotter on 17/9/2024, 22:16:28, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

                Fair play. You're spot on. The idiots on here like Godders, MG, sahb aren't capable of forming their own opinion. Just going along with the general leftie view of things.

                  Re: The nothing works thread below

                  Posted by Well on 17/9/2024, 22:24:28, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

                  I presume that to be irony.

                  What opinions do you have?

                  Go on, give us a giggle.

                Re: The nothing works thread below

                Posted by SAHB on 17/9/2024, 20:20:45, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

                If you need treatment without having means to pay for it, then the NHS is wonderful and the envy of the world.
                PFI caused a lot of pain for local governments and had a knock on in the future funding for the NHS, but I guess you knew that.

                I guess you vote Torie hence your defence on their record, unless you are a millionaire or are donating to the party they will not give a fuck about you and if you speak to anyone working in the NHS at any level, they will tell you how the Tories have gifted their mates with procurement contracts.

                As for the levels of greed in this country can you give me some reasons to believe it is not as bad as it seems?

                  Re: The nothing works thread below

                  Posted by Mr T on 17/9/2024, 20:53:57, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

                  As I said, it’s a grand idea.

                  But A&E is a complete joke.

                  Our progress on improving survival rates for cancers is woeful.

                  Getting an appointment to see a GP when you need to is far from easy.

                  So it definitely isn’t wonderful.

                  I don’t - as a rule - vote Tory. I have done so, once. But I have voted many times for Labour and once for the Liberals (because I refused to vote for a complete liar and charlatan, and Corbyn would have been a disaster).

                  There are lots of things which could be improved upon, but our country is not fucked, QED it isn’t fucked by greed. If you seriously think it is worse than, say, Russia, China, North Korea, Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, Venezuela, Hungary, to name a few, then I suggest you go and get some help, quickly. If the NHS is as wonderful as you suggest that shouldn’t be too hard.

                    Re: The nothing works thread below

                    Posted by SAHB on 17/9/2024, 21:15:16, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

                    I am not comparing it to any of those countries, I think that greed is causing similar problems in other western countries especially the US.

                    Many european countries seem to be doing far better than us in the fairness stakes.

                    No one is saying that there are not problems with the NHS, actually the contrary, I agree with all your points and as I said it needs big decisions and proper funding.
                    My original post pointed out that money is being stolen from the NHS by procurement and agencies, the profits made are obscene.

                    The fact that it is still free and the people who work there care and do a brilliant job despite being fucked by politicians is makes it wonderful.

                    My Mum had great care before she passed a year ago and I have 3 siblings who are also getting fantastic treatment, it is all relative to experiences, we would be worse off without it, wouldn't we.

                      Re: The nothing works thread below

                      Posted by Well on 17/9/2024, 20:57:52, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

                      “Corbyn would have been a disaster”

                      It’s almost like you live in the on planet Mogg.

                      We had the disaster ( many times over ) since he lost.

                      Hard to believe you are not trolling.

                        Re: The nothing works thread below

                        Posted by Mr T on 17/9/2024, 21:43:47, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

                        Well as one example, Corbyn wouldn’t have supported Ukraine or criticised Russia, let’s face it.

                        He wouldn’t even accept that Russia used the poison in Salisbury, for heaven’s sake.

                          Re: The nothing works thread below

                          Posted by Well on 17/9/2024, 21:54:04, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

                          Ok.

                          It’s the would have been a disaster part that got me.

                          Ever since the fat crook took over “a disaster “ is Excatly what I’d describe has befallen this country.

                          That’s my point.

                            Re: The nothing works thread below

                            Posted by Mr T on 17/9/2024, 23:01:28, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

                            Which is why I didn’t vote for either of them

                              Re: The nothing works thread below

                              Posted by Well on 17/9/2024, 23:25:52, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

                              No argument from me.

                              Did not vote last time and doubt I will bother anymore.

                              I’d have voted to get rid of the Tories but new labour are just Tory drag queens. In my opinion.

                              It’s thoroughly depressing and politics seems very cynical and quite frankly disingenuous.

                  Re: The nothing works thread below

                  Posted by MG on 17/9/2024, 18:52:36, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

                  Indeed he does.

                    Re: The nothing works thread below

                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 17/9/2024, 18:49:40, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

                    + 1

                    Reverse Brexit

                    Posted by Cuba on 17/9/2024, 18:31:07, in reply to "The nothing works thread below"

                    And many issues will be fixed overnight.

                      Re: Reverse Brexit

                      Posted by Have a word on 17/9/2024, 18:52:52, in reply to "Reverse Brexit"

                      You blamed a local golf club shutting on a millionaire plumber. Best you be quiet pal.

                        Re: Reverse Brexit

                        Posted by m on 17/9/2024, 18:48:57, in reply to "Reverse Brexit"

                        Nobody has the balls to sort the NHS out imo.

                          Re: Reverse Brexit

                          Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 17/9/2024, 18:47:29, in reply to "Reverse Brexit"

                          SAHB's right, and nothing to do with Brexit, NHS and decline in standards started decades ago

                            Re: Reverse Brexit

                            Posted by Godders on 17/9/2024, 19:07:38, in reply to "Re: Reverse Brexit"

                            How can you say it has nothing to with Brexit? As a major trading group of nations some of whom have excellent reputation for quality pharmaceuticals we have cut our nose off to spite our face with Brexit.

                              Re: Reverse Brexit

                              Posted by Mr T on 17/9/2024, 20:00:17, in reply to "Re: Reverse Brexit"

                              Your second “sentence” isn’t even a sentence. Can you try that again please?

                                Re: Reverse Brexit

                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 17/9/2024, 20:31:07, in reply to "Re: Reverse Brexit"

                                Where did you go to school?
                                It’s definitely a sentence, albeit a bit long-winded and should have a comma after “nations” and another after “pharmaceuticals”.
                                Also he missed out “EU”, but it was perfectly comprehensible.

                                  Re: Reverse Brexit

                                  Posted by Mr T on 17/9/2024, 20:45:35, in reply to "Re: Reverse Brexit"

                                  So where would you put “EU” in that “sentence”?

                                    Re: Reverse Brexit

                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 17/9/2024, 20:49:43, in reply to "Re: Reverse Brexit"

                                    “The EU,” in front of “as a major….”

                                      Re: Reverse Brexit

                                      Posted by Mr T on 17/9/2024, 20:55:53, in reply to "Re: Reverse Brexit"

                                      So you think he meant to say:

                                      The EU, as a major trading group of nations, some of whom have excellent reputation for quality pharmaceuticals we have cut our nose off to spite our face with Brexit.

                                      It still makes no sense.

                                        Re: Reverse Brexit

                                        Posted by MG on 17/9/2024, 23:27:57, in reply to "Re: Reverse Brexit"

                                        It does if you stop being an arse and think about it for a bit . . .

                                          Re: Reverse Brexit

                                          Posted by Mr T on 18/9/2024, 8:15:05, in reply to "Re: Reverse Brexit"

                                          Not at all.

                                          I hate Brexit with a passion, but I don’t think Godders can credibly argue that we are unable to access quality pharmaceuticals because of Brexit.

                                          Sorry if that upsets you, but maybe you should actually think about it for a bit …

                                            Re: Reverse Brexit

                                            Posted by MG on 18/9/2024, 8:34:01, in reply to "Re: Reverse Brexit"

                                            He's saying it has made it harder. There are a significant number of drugs we are currently unable to get in the UK that people rely on in regular prescriptions.

                                            It's not unique to the UK but Brexit makes it harder for us to fix, quite obviously.

                                              Re: Reverse Brexit

                                              Posted by Arthur Dent on 18/9/2024, 8:53:39, in reply to "Re: Reverse Brexit"

                                              Then why did you vote for it? Not a dig I’ll add, just a question.

                                                Re: Reverse Brexit

                                                Posted by MG on 18/9/2024, 9:01:47, in reply to "Re: Reverse Brexit"

                                                A question I sometimes still ask myself .

                                                But we covered it many times on here in the past, suffice it to say that it was a very close-run decision, right up until the moment I was in the ballot box.

                                                I will also say that I never imagined it could have been handled so badly, I never once imagined that someone like Boris would end up in control of it. Indeed I remember saying on here that no-one in their right minds would let Nigel or Boris anywhere near the negotiations. It's a statement that could be regarded as one of the most spectacularly wrong ever made on here, and yet also right in its own way . . .

                                                  Re: Reverse Brexit

                                                  Posted by Arthur Dent on 18/9/2024, 9:08:50, in reply to "Re: Reverse Brexit"

                                                  Well, there were plenty of warnings - many from people on here. People hate to admit they were conned (in any scenario) so I admire your honesty on the subject.

                                                  It’ll be a slow process but I do believe we’ll end up back ‘in’. The damage to UK PLC ((currently costing the Treasury upwards of £40bn p/a and rising) makes it inevitable. That and the changing demographic.

                                                    Re: Reverse Brexit

                                                    Posted by MG on 18/9/2024, 9:24:10, in reply to "Re: Reverse Brexit"

                                                    Well I've said quite a few times on here it did end up being the wrong decision, no doubt about it given what happened. Happy to own that bit!

                                                    But the "warnings" as you put it didn't actually reflect what really happened. I think most people were amazed at how badly the whole thing was handled whichever side of the fence they were on.

                                                    My concerns also weren't the standard ones most people associate with Brexit though, it was never about immigration etc for me. It was more about the inequality within it, the way for example it devoured Greece to protect the Euro and the way it enabled bigger and bigger multinationals to flourish clinging to neo-libertarian economics. It was never the BS that Boris and Nigel were spouting.

                                Re: Reverse Brexit

                                Posted by Desperate Dan on 17/9/2024, 19:32:29, in reply to "Re: Reverse Brexit"

                                Germany are losing faith in the "project" and there are now clear signs politically a change is coming, same is happening in France.
                                However, if you have concentrated effort to not make it work then it wont.

                                Re: Reverse Brexit

                                Posted by Yep on 17/9/2024, 18:49:59, in reply to "Re: Reverse Brexit"

                                It started with the poison that was Thatcher.

                                What odds you loved her eh?

                              Re: The nothing works thread below

                              Posted by attention seeking spotter on 17/9/2024, 18:12:34, in reply to "The nothing works thread below"

                              Why dont you add a comment to the existing thread rather than starting a new one?

                                Re: The nothing works thread below

                                Posted by SAHB on 17/9/2024, 18:25:49, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

                                The only reason was that it was a bit earlier on.
                                Thanks for your positive contribution though.

                                Re: The nothing works thread below

                                Posted by r p mcmurphy on 17/9/2024, 18:11:36, in reply to "The nothing works thread below"

                                International mega corporations, and China, ruining every country

                                  Re: The nothing works thread below

                                  Posted by Yep on 17/9/2024, 18:15:23, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

                                  Nothing to do with human.

                                  Greed.
                                  Consumerism.
                                  Stupidity. ( BBB an example )
                                  Want want want.
                                  Me me me.

                                  Take your pick. They just feed the morons.

                                    Re: The nothing works thread below

                                    Posted by Godders on 17/9/2024, 18:42:19, in reply to "Re: The nothing works thread below"

                                    As it happens Christianity and the Bible has something to say about all that. Urt people don't want to know...

                                    Go figure.

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