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    Flag Gate...some perspective

    Posted by Cracker on 10/9/2024, 17:01:27

    All I seem to do on here is come on and defend a position, but are we making a mountain out of a molehill here? Apologies if this has already been covered to death...

    But the club hired out KR to the FA for this game. So contractually, it's the FA's to do what they wish (within legal/contractual framework) to host THEIR game and then return it as you found it. There may or not be clauses in there from the club about banners or flags etc, etc, It may have been an oversight. Who knows. Who knows if the club hasn't challenged the FA on it?

    But if I hired out a venue for a party and it had a 'Cracker is a Knob' flag hanging up, contract or not, I'm probably ignoring it and going to fold it up for my party (i'd also question myself as to why I was hiring such a venue too, which im sure the FA are currently) and then roll it back down at the end.

    The point is, we are getting revenue when the ground isn't in use, which let's be honest, doesn't happen at KR very often, for a game that doesn't involve Luton. So what's the issue? Understand wholeheartedly if they made us roll it up for a Luton game, or sky did etc etc. But it's not our game. Its at our ground, yes, but we've hired it to the FA.

    I am not advocating forgetting, not on your nelly, but are we getting a little upset over something that wasn't massively in our control? And I should imagine that the club/caterers/sponsors etc want to host future games, as its new revenue potential and gives us better commercial opportunities in future surely?

    I've made this point before, but the club really have dropped the ball on fan engagement and management. They used to be brilliant at it, got 90% of the things right for a good few years. It just feels like it's much more of a closed shop now, which is very un Luton-like. The strategy needs a real re-think and get back to being more local and supporter engagement lead rather than believing the premier league billy big bollocks rhetoric.

    I'm not massively bothered about it myself, but the lack of handholding fans over the kit deals is worrying. Just no PR on it at all. Maybe there isn't much they can say? But they can say something to help appease and get people on board, even if it actually says very little. Where has the art of PR gone? Have we spent the budget on glossy social media bits instead?

      Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

      Posted by jimmy on 10/9/2024, 21:05:19, in reply to "Flag Gate...some perspective"

      To sensible for this board Cracker

        Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

        Posted by Ralph on 10/9/2024, 17:20:49, in reply to "Flag Gate...some perspective"

        I have seen those 'Cracker is a knob' flags at a few parties. Who makes them? 😁

          Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

          Posted by Cracker on 10/9/2024, 17:25:31, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

          Ive changed my mind actually, if there is a buck to be made, I will be selling them outside the ground on the 21st. Right outside the club shop in fact and i won't be giving any money to the club. Like the irksome burgervan man who parks in someone's driveway.

          Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

          Posted by bbb on 10/9/2024, 17:10:44, in reply to "Flag Gate...some perspective"

          Onions and all that but I can't agree on the first part of your post at all. I'm with DD on that.

          Your last 2 paragraphs are spot on and it all seems very odd behaviour from GS etc.

            Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

            Posted by Cracker on 10/9/2024, 17:20:41, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

            Yeah, I suppose. And I don't disagree with DD either really. I hadn't read the updated statement, which will teach me.

            I guess I was more focused on people using it as a stick to beat GS with when I'm not sure it was completely in his control by the sounds of it. They made an agreement which included the flag, so someone is in breach somewhere.

            I still stand by the fact that if I hired the venue with a 'cracker is a knob' flag in, id probably roll it up...

              Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

              Posted by Desperate Dan on 10/9/2024, 17:27:35, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

              I dont think that is an unreasonable stance tbh
              The FA know about the flag and they know about the song. If they just ignored it then know one would be wasting their time over this. Infact most in the ground I suspect probably looked at the flag and thought nothing else about it. The FA wasn't upset when we were in the PL last season when that flag was seen by the entire footballing world so why have a strop over a U21 game unless it was a dig, if it was then I despise them even more .

                Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                Posted by Cracker on 10/9/2024, 17:33:26, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                Probably, as with most things like this, the decision has been made by an FA corporate junior getting above their station at the ground. Unaware of the history and unaware of the agreement and unaware of the fan power we have. Never been to KR before, took one look at it, and thought 'damage limitation' and asked them to roll it up...

                It seems odd though that it was lowered at HT (which can only come from someone at the club aware of the agreement or a fan) and then rolled back up? Like you said, maybe smells a bit of a F-You dig somehwere?

                  Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                  Posted by Desperate Dan on 10/9/2024, 17:40:04, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                  A LL committee person unfurled it. They were then approached by two aggressive stewards which then escalated to 6. All were very aggressive. Our committee members remained calm and was asking why they had did what they did. The flag was then tie wrapped so it could not be touched. The stewards were not ours but employed by the FA.

                    Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                    Posted by Kbot on 10/9/2024, 18:09:16, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                    It’s brilliant to see the flag is doing its job and upsetting the FA that much. They can try and hide it for 90 minutes but that is the limit of their power.

                      Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                      Posted by Cracker on 10/9/2024, 17:42:19, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                      Wow. Well someone has got a very clear directive there haven't they? Tie up the flag at all costs. Interesting.

                Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                Posted by bbb on 10/9/2024, 17:24:35, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                Unfortunately GS being so quiet and not addressing situations particularly well the last 6 months or so leads to questions and before you know it everything is his fault. He's been about long enough to know how it works. He's really not helping himself IMO.

                  Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                  Posted by Madpig on 10/9/2024, 18:31:12, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                  So should he resign? What would you prefer/like to happen?
                  However, if the board back him, where do we/ the club go from there?
                  Do you think that maybe they have a new CEO lined up, and what level of compo would Sweet get?

                    Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                    Posted by Desperate Dan on 10/9/2024, 18:34:14, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                    No one is asking for GS resign are you mad?

                      Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                      Posted by Madpig on 10/9/2024, 19:03:27, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                      Sorry, but are you reading the venom on here?
                      Ok, Someone fucked up, the club have issued a statement. It's placated no one. Indeed, it's fanned the flames.
                      Now where do we do go from here, keep whining or move on?
                      There's a bucket load of spew out there, but absolutely no one has said what they want as an outcome. They just throw themselves down and chuck a fit.
                      Organise. Get together. Get a consensus and then present it to the club.
                      I'm not anti your whine, but jeez, it's not getting anywhere.

                        Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                        Posted by bbb on 10/9/2024, 18:41:56, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                        Not sure if this Madpig chap is drunk, craving for attention or just very, very thick.
                        Potentially all 3.

                          Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                          Posted by Madpig on 10/9/2024, 20:59:46, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                          There speaks an expert.
                          What do you want bbb? I mean , you're whining like a bitch about the flag, the club, me cos you think I've been drinking.
                          Are you stupid naturally, are are you still in training?
                          I'll ask once again: there's been a fuck up, you've got your balls in a knot. The club have issued a statement. You're not happy with that. So rather than chuck childish jibes at me that just wash off, put your brain into gear and tell us all what you demand the club do next. Surely you've worked that out before shooting your mouth off, haven't you? Please say yes

                            Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                            Posted by bbb on 10/9/2024, 21:30:17, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                            Arrrhhhh, bless. The needy drunk has got all upset and angry. You've been begging for attention all day, when you finally get some you start crying 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

                            Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                            Posted by City Gent on 10/9/2024, 19:32:00, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                            Definitely the last two, no idea about the first.

                        Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                        Posted by Desperate Dan on 10/9/2024, 17:30:51, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                        TBH if you are working all the hours God sends on PC on top of everything else it is an impossible situation to be in. I agree that there should be more info released and have said so. The next few weeks will be interesting.

                          Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                          Posted by Cracker on 10/9/2024, 17:39:03, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                          Don't you hire someone in then? Surely he would have known he would be working on PC relentlessly over this period? With the very nature of our fanbase (a good thing), surely someone at the top will have thought about this with everything coming at us. If a well-meaning idiot such as myself can see it, surely to god someone else within the club must feel they are dropping the ball and losing a bit of touch with the fanbase. There must be hundreds of people who could do a better proper engagement PR job on a freelance basis than the empty silence we have at the moment.

                            Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                            Posted by Desperate Dan on 10/9/2024, 17:42:37, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                            Just my view. There is a team working on this. I appreciate supporters are eager for info, we all are. We are not mute on this. We cant force the club to come out with info. Think we are very close now.

                            Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                            Posted by bbb on 10/9/2024, 17:35:05, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                            If that's what he's doing then perhaps he should off load some of the work to someone else! As it stands he just looks a bit rude tbh.

                      Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                      Posted by Desperate Dan on 10/9/2024, 17:03:47, in reply to "Flag Gate...some perspective"

                      The flag was not to be touched. It was in the agreement. This was ignored. So to some of us it isn't a mountain out of a mole hill.

                        Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                        Posted by Madpig on 10/9/2024, 17:24:25, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                        An honest question, no malice. What would placate you?
                        Resignations?
                        Sale of the club?
                        Sacking Edwards?

                          Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                          Posted by bbb on 10/9/2024, 17:25:18, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                          What is actually wrong with you?

                            Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                            Posted by Madpig on 10/9/2024, 17:58:06, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                            Me?...before I reply?

                              Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                              Posted by bbb on 10/9/2024, 18:06:57, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                              Obviously you. No wonder DD ignored you. What a fucking ridiculous post from you.

                                Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                                Posted by Madpig on 10/9/2024, 18:14:17, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                                Ah right , good. I guessed you were being a moron. Nice.
                                So come on, we've established that you've all shat your pants on this, but none of you have a solution. What is it bright eyes...or haven't you got that far yet? Do you just wanna lay in the aisle and throw a tantrum?
                                Dumb as a rock

                              Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                              Posted by Notorious D on 10/9/2024, 17:46:54, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                              The wheel is spinning, but the hamster is dead.

                                Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                                Posted by bbb on 10/9/2024, 18:04:55, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                                🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏

                                  Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                                  Posted by Madpig on 10/9/2024, 18:01:19, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                                  Indeed...fuelled by righteous indignation. Are we on the cusp of perpetual motion one wonders?

                              Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                              Posted by Cracker on 10/9/2024, 17:08:29, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                              Then that's fine. It's a breach of contract between the club and the FA, isn't it? Is it not something to get upset with Gary Sweet over or whatever I'm seeing on Twitter. A corporate bod at the FA is in hot water.



                                Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                                Posted by Desperate Dan on 10/9/2024, 17:17:39, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                                At first there was a bit of misinformation of who was actually at the game. Then where the club stood on the issue. It is clear now that the club had tried to put a safe guard in regarding the flag but for some reason it was ignored on the night. Quite rightly the supporters groups moved into action to ask what had happened. It has certainly reawakened the opposition to the FA and what should happen now, in my opinion, is for this to be channeled into getting behind the players and spur us on back into the PL where we really can let the FA know what we think of them week and week out. Im heartened that so many supporters were bloody outraged at what happened and the situation wasn't ignored.

                                  Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                                  Posted by since 63 on 10/9/2024, 17:25:51, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                                  the next time the fa hires out the ground for one of their games, i suggest we mobilise and sing a 90-minute rendition of fuck the fa . see how they try and deal with that.

                                    Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                                    Posted by Desperate Dan on 10/9/2024, 17:32:21, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                                    Who says they will hire us again.

                                    Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                                    Posted by Cracker on 10/9/2024, 17:22:13, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                                    And those sir, are fair points. I will stand down on this matter.

                                      Re: Flag Gate...some perspective

                                      Posted by FA Big Wigs on 10/9/2024, 17:51:57, in reply to "Re: Flag Gate...some perspective"

                                      We are in charge here, not plucky little Luton Town.
                                      Two cable ties v Luton Town

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