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Mick wins
Posted by Trainspotter on 15/8/2024, 0:43:58
Train drivers get all the pay increases they want back dated. Rail fares going up again and timetables to be restructured to not include journeys carried out requiring overtime. First 100 days, whats next. Anybody we've missed?
Re: Mick wins
Posted by ASLEF on 15/8/2024, 12:32:33, in reply to "Mick wins"
The donations certainly did their job.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Nope on 15/8/2024, 13:34:06, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Nope
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 15/8/2024, 10:24:29, in reply to "Mick wins"
Mick Lynch does not represent train drivers.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 15/8/2024, 9:37:16, in reply to "Mick wins"
This is the change Starmer promised, take money from impoverished pensioners and give it to extremely well paid train drivers
Re: Mick wins
Posted by MG on 15/8/2024, 11:30:55, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
The impoverished pensioners kept their money . . .
Re: Mick wins
Posted by LOL on 15/8/2024, 10:06:27, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
As opposed to your precious boys in blue approach - take the money from the workers and pay the heating bills of billionaires like Alan Sugar.
Anyway, keep on crying. You'll be long gone before your lot are back in charge again.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Wat Tyler on 15/8/2024, 9:59:25, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
It cost the tax payer more to not settle the strike than it would have done to settle it.
Source: Huw Merriman, Tory Transport Minister, 2023.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by 2 Tier Kier on 15/8/2024, 9:43:13, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
And of cause the immigrants.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by LOL on 15/8/2024, 10:07:57, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
of cause
Jesus wept. Not surprised we need immigrants to do some jobs considering your mighty intelligence.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Observer on 15/8/2024, 10:04:53, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Of cause 🤪🤪
Re: Mick wins
Posted by The Questioner on 15/8/2024, 8:54:44, in reply to "Mick wins"
We are blessed with the new Government…in weeks they have sorted out the Junior doctors and now the train drivers. If only the previous Government had had the foresight to just give them more money….dozy buggers.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by zzzzzz on 15/8/2024, 9:11:33, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Typical Tory. Hating workers being paid in line with inflation.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Kbot on 15/8/2024, 8:07:25, in reply to "Mick wins"
Posted by Observer on 15/8/2024, 8:33:47, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Because they need to be paid above market rate to attract the best talent.
Apparently.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Sunbeam on 15/8/2024, 7:49:49, in reply to "Mick wins"
There's 6.5 million public sector workers that probably formed he majority of the 9 million votes Labour got to get in power.
Payback time!
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Fred Arnold on 15/8/2024, 13:55:25, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Except train operating companies are private companies.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Novel on 15/8/2024, 8:02:00, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Yeah, as the last government never rewarded their core vote with above inflation pay rises and even paid their heating bills.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by sloopy on 15/8/2024, 7:41:36, in reply to "Mick wins"
Pensioners
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Eco nomad on 15/8/2024, 7:41:14, in reply to "Mick wins"
Looking forward to more stealth rises then ... anyone daring ! to earn above an average wage or saving modestly for retirement be wary , the money comes from somewhere Train drivers earn good money so will also pay in the long run ... probably why govt caved in
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Doctor Ince on 15/8/2024, 7:02:12, in reply to "Mick wins"
Rail fares going up again? What's the unions plans when no cunt uses the trains because no one can afford them?
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Facts on 15/8/2024, 7:36:28, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Rail fares were already set to go up next year by the standard formula related to rate of inflation, as put in place by the last government. Absolutely nothing to do with any agreement with ASLEF
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Oh here we go ffs on 15/8/2024, 7:41:46, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Yeah but Tories.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by The Queen of whataboutery on 15/8/2024, 12:09:24, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Yeah but what about Thick Lizzy and the Eton Mess.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Facts on 15/8/2024, 7:46:15, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Just giving facts about rail fare price increases, it was on the radio yesterday related to cost of living/inflation well before any news of a possible deal with ASLEF. To counter misrepresentation by the original poster.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Facts 2 on 15/8/2024, 7:47:35, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
And he's made up the point about schedule restructuring too.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Worker on 15/8/2024, 5:01:48, in reply to "Mick wins"
Train driving is low skill employment. Minimum wage is sufficient.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 15/8/2024, 10:27:02, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Don't be ridiculous.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Thoughtful on 15/8/2024, 4:45:04, in reply to "Mick wins"
The right thing to do .
Re: Mick wins
Posted by basic facts on 15/8/2024, 3:41:47, in reply to "Mick wins"
Aslef leader Mick Whelan insisted the new government had not rolled over and given in to all his demands.
“If it was everything I wanted it wouldn't have been this deal, it would have been a higher deal, more representative of the higher cost of inflation,"
Re: Mick wins
Posted by 2 tier Kier on 15/8/2024, 6:26:30, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Of course he's going to say that. The absolute prick. Held the government to ransom whilst the Tories were in charge. Not a single thought for the average working man losing much needed money every day the strikes happened. 2 tier kier gets voted in by the blinkered retards and what a surprise, problems solved. It would be funny if it wasn't so selfishly tragic.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by MG on 15/8/2024, 8:16:27, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
So, thanks to Labour "the average working man" will no longer be losing money . . .
Thanks to Labour junior doctors are not striking any more which was costing the country hugely and people will start to get the treatment they so badly need.
And apparently . . . you think that's "Selfishly tragic".
Re: Mick wins
Posted by 2 Tier Kier on 15/8/2024, 8:18:42, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
If you don't see alot of it was orchestrated, you're more than a bit dim.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by SJF on 15/8/2024, 8:52:00, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
The prolonged strikes were orchestrated by the Tories, they covered the rail companies profits during strike action on the basis that a deal was not reached. The Tories ideological desire to break the unions at any cost damaged our economy and wasted billions of taxpayers money.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Straight Question on 15/8/2024, 8:34:34, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
You're anti trade union then. Do you pay tax on all your earnings or are you on the fiddle like so many anti trade-unionists?
Re: Mick wins
Posted by MG on 15/8/2024, 8:20:37, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Go on then, explain it to me . . .
Walk me through your logic.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by 2 Tier Kier on 15/8/2024, 8:32:40, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
It has been discussed on this thread already. Not that you'd be able to take you blinkers off long enough to understand it.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by MG on 15/8/2024, 8:41:26, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
You seem to be putting forward the theory that the only reason say the junior doctors, who have seen consistent effective pay cuts for about a decade, decided to go on strike was because Labour somehow persuaded them to. And not one of them has mentioned it, they all kept quiet. And let's not forget the nurses who went on strike for the first time in history. Disputes which started a long time ago.
That's what you're saying?
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Get it on 15/8/2024, 8:23:57, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Its all rigged that workers are paid in line with inflation.
The only way it's not rigged is if their salaries are kept below inflation and falling in line with the cost of living.
If we ignore the fact the last government could have also come to this agreement at any point.
I guess it makes sense in their head?
Re: Mick wins
Posted by The way to stop strikes on 15/8/2024, 8:18:14, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Give them what they want.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by MG on 15/8/2024, 8:21:29, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Give them enough of what they want . . .
Re: Mick wins
Posted by basic facts on 15/8/2024, 6:42:29, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
unions exist to support "the average working man".
they do it a hell of a lot better than bosses running companies into the ground, ripping off customers and paying workers the bare minimum.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by 2 Tier Kier on 15/8/2024, 6:46:43, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Oh right. So all those businesses that lost a fortune, especially in London, because people couldn't get to work are just fine then? What a pathetically selfish opinion. It absolutely stinks. Corrupt as it gets.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Factotum on 15/8/2024, 7:28:19, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Care to name all of those businesses that lost a fortune?
We all can work at home now. Minimal impact on business from train strikes.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Bored in Flitwick on 15/8/2024, 7:34:38, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
If that's the case..trains not needed..why give the increase..we all work from home?..robs pensioners to fund unions..nice one
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Back in the real world on 15/8/2024, 7:40:02, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Robbing pensions. Ffs. They're incredibly wealthy already as a generation, more so than any other generation. And their pensions are paid by people working. You're not robbing them of money which isn't theirs.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 15/8/2024, 10:30:51, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Just stop parrotting the propaganda you lap up. Not all pensioners are rolling in it.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Back in the real world on 15/8/2024, 10:47:40, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Can you point to where I've said they are? All I said was as a generation they're considerably more wealthy than those beneath them. And that's pretty accurate.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 15/8/2024, 10:55:52, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
It's never a good idea to generalise about any group of people. e.g. "football supporters are thugs" "teenagers are idle, drug-taking layabouts"
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Back in the real world on 15/8/2024, 10:58:39, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
I wasn't generalising. At no point did I say every pensioner was wealthy.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by MG on 15/8/2024, 8:18:23, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Careful, some pensioners are wealthy, many are not.
And where they are "wealthy" many of them will have paid into pension schemes with their own money.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Ridiculous Rick on 15/8/2024, 6:57:12, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
So you're annoyed about the effect the strikes can have but also annoyed the strikes may now be resolved? Not much pleasing you, is there?
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Really? on 15/8/2024, 7:23:36, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Thousands of people affected were annoyed at the strikes. It was clear then and it shoes now that it was all rigged. Even the thickest of the thick can see that.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Ridiculous Rick on 15/8/2024, 7:34:18, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Rigged? It's all a conspiracy to oay people properly, is it?
Has your salary risen in line with inflation or have you seen a real term cut? If you have seen a cut, have you thought about joining a union?
You folk are ridiculous. Get down on your knees and worship your masters.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Question from Quebec on 15/8/2024, 6:53:25, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Have you thought about joining a union rather than hating the world?
Re: Mick wins
Posted by m on 15/8/2024, 6:52:50, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Only people it affected were the low paid workers who couldn’t work from home ,
Re: Mick wins
Posted by 2 Tier Kier on 15/8/2024, 7:03:26, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Very selfish behaviour and a very snide way to influence a few votes.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Favctotum on 15/8/2024, 7:29:51, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Real people? Or just those you are appropriating for you political argument.
See me, I think it’s great workers are paid a fair wage. Prefer to punch up than down.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by 2 Tier Kier on 15/8/2024, 7:34:23, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Totally agree. Marvellous that workers get a fair wage. Just a disgustingly selfish way to go about things for a bit of political gain.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Wishy Washy Lefty Liberal Type on 15/8/2024, 7:39:24, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
The last government refused to let the TOC’s negotiate with the unions. You do know that don’t you Brains?
Re: Mick wins
Posted by 2 Tier Kier on 15/8/2024, 7:43:09, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
You keep believing that.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by basic facts on 15/8/2024, 8:02:47, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
It's amusing that you're too blinkered to consider that the last government was manufacturing disputes with unions so they could appear to be as tough as thatcher in taking on the red menace.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by 2 Tier Kier on 15/8/2024, 8:09:56, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
It's amusing that you're too blinkered to consider that the current government was manufacturing disputes with unions so they could turn even more of the public against the Tories. They didn't need to but to fuck with the average working man. They were probably far right thugs anyway.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by basic facts on 15/8/2024, 9:06:16, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
It's also amusing that you don't seem to comprehend that most of the unions behind the long running disputes have no affiliation with the Labour party.
What you're seeing here is sensible negotiations between adults. Something the last government was incapable of attempting to do.
Give it a rest now. You're making yourself look silly.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by MG on 15/8/2024, 8:32:18, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
You are sounding a little incoherent now.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Observer on 15/8/2024, 8:34:31, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
“Now”?
Re: Mick wins
Posted by MG on 15/8/2024, 8:44:11, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Well up to that point he did seem to be holding together with the usual "if you don't agree with me it's because you're blinkered" line with some kind of myopic tenacity.
Oh, who am I trying to kid? You're right, good point.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Facts 3 on 15/8/2024, 7:48:45, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
It's an absolute fact
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Wishy Washy Lefty Liberal Type on 15/8/2024, 7:48:10, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
Do you have any evidence to suggest otherwise?
I’ll wait around.
Re: Mick wins
Posted by Observer on 15/8/2024, 8:28:15, in reply to "Re: Mick wins"
The evidence will be that it wasn’t mentioned in the media of choice, the ONLY trustworthy sources: Mail, Express, Telegraph, Sun, TalkTV, GBeebies
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