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It’s the system not the players
Posted by Systematic on 14/8/2024, 11:05:05
Watching Monday reminded me of the 5-1 v Brentford in April. Goals from quick balls in behind and also from direct runs through the middle.
Since December we have played Roball and had nine months of defending high behind a press which teams just negate by a quick and long ball forward.
Conversely when attacking we take our time and enable the opposition to get ten men behind the ball. Monday a case in point when even second half we were having to go sideways and back as no way through.
If you look back to when Edwards first came in, he built On Jones system. We actually played very similar to Burnley on Monday. Physical, deeper lying defence, win the ball back, get it forward quickly.
We are going to have to adapt in the Championship. Too many teams who will sit back, deny us space and then hit us on the break with a ball behind our high line and pressing defence.
Don’t see how any new players can change any of that.
I’m not sure it is just that, even with Bell & Burke we would struggle without a defensive CM to cover them, but yes the fact that the oldest of the 3 is 22 is a major factor.
We won’t know much until we play at least 10 games. The daft and ludicrous overreaction from the tearful, miserablists, pathetic trolls and assorted W*tford fans has been risible . We’ve played one f*cking game ffs.
I take it that you didn’t attend the Celta Vigo game then as the same mistakes were made then and it was obvious that we needed reinforcements and the back 3 wasn’t going to work with who we had available, yet the same mistakes were made more than a week later in an important game against quality opposition. We pay our money so are entitled to our opinions, particularly if we are seeing something glaringly obvious. As for ‘ 10 games ‘ we could well be looking at ‘oh well there’s always next season’ by then if things aren’t put right quickly, but hey ho let’s just keep clapping and say nothing.
Seen you post this a couple of times now, and it’s ironic that you’re doing the exact same thing that you’re accusing other people of - getting ‘tearful’ and wound up over others expressing their opinions.
As Music Critic states below, the majority of posts have been discussing the poor performance, and their concerns that the squad is looking extremely light. There’s a minority of trolls piling up (usually the same ones under aliases), but they are easy to distinguish.
Why are you so easily wound up about fans voicing their concerns, on a football message board ?
The majority of threads about Monday have been pretty reasonable
Football fans talking about a football game they have just watched shocker. People expressing the idea that they didn't like what they saw from a 4-1 home defeat where we didn't really give the oppo a game and they are daft, ludicrous, tearful, pathetic and miserablist
I could equally accuse others of being like trained seals clapping absolutely any old shite and being happy in accepting mediocrity. But I won't because, well, it's just opinions ain't it?
Correct.Taking Monday's match in isolation then some of the negativity appears over the top. However, pre season was a worry, the view that the friendlies would help iron out the mistakes seems misplaced. The same mistakes made in the Premier League continue. How much longer can we blame defensive lapses before accepting the issue is the way we set up (this includes playing players out of position to suit the "preferred" style of play.
It is just opinions you're right, but when a lot of those opinions are as fucking stupid as they have been, you'd have thought we'd never lost a game of football before.
Embarrassing social media type bollocks, which is fair game to be ridiculed.
Define the ‘stupid’ opinions?! Are you referring to the trolls attacking Sweet and calling for RE to go; or are you alluding to anyone that’s voiced well reasoned concerns about the performance, and the poor preparation we’ve had going into the season?
Poor preparation probably not the correct phrase - under prepared would be more accurate. I’m referring to the squad being very light in key positions, and there being an acceptance from the club that we would ‘get by’ at the start of the season.
There was a moment on Monday when two of our players took a massive risk on the edge of their own box to Burnley players in and generate an overload in midfield. They just got away with it (luck rather than judgement) and then lumped it forward down the wing - therefore undoing the whole point of creating the space in midfield in the first place.
It’s a bit of a mess at the moment. But I’m sure they realise this. We are clearly full of good, intelligent and talented people who I’m sure will work out what needs to be done.
I think there's an overreaction, but I don't really buy that we would have beaten a "lesser team". Sure Burnley will be one of the best, but there will be no pushovers and with the way we played on Monday I think we would have struggled against all teams in the league.
That said, I still think there are some massive overreactions. I don't get people saying that RE is stuck to one way of playing - he's changed the way we play a number of times since he's joined. Then of course it's just one game, we will get players back (Bell was on the bench), transfer window not closed etc.
Concern is natural and I am a bit, but it should take more to panic.
As you say, we would have struggled against anyone in this league playing like we did on Monday, let alone a side that will finish top 2, and that's the point. Most people aren't moaning cos of a defeat. They're moaning because, again, we prove to be very easy to score against and just didn't compete for the majority of the game.
I don't detect much panic, ignoring trolls and multi-names - just people dissecting the game as they saw it
In my opinion, you are spot on about Lockyer( possibly more about his leadership). That is certainly a big part of the issue. However, whilst the issues appear to manifest in the defence, I believe the big problem is midfield due to style of play
Definitely. He wasn't the perfect defender and some of his weaknesses were shown up particularly in the PL, but he is a leader and could organise the whole defence, improving everyone around him. We miss that and given their ages and experience it's not surprising our current defenders don't offer that.
Lockyer was by far our best ‘box defender’ as Rob alludes to.
You’ve also pointed out his leadership attributes, which we also severely missed. We were able to patch this up temporarily, but it was only a matter of time before the band aid was pulled off, and that it would catch up with us.
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