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That was embarrassing
Posted by Ummm on 12/8/2024, 23:14:31
Let's face it, Edwards is tactically inept and clueless when it comes to timing substitutions.
Step One : Spend 83 minutes identifying the weakest link Step Two : Replace him with Townsend, no matter the position Step Three : Continue hoping and praying that Doughty or Ogbene aren't run ragged yet, and can still pump a ball into Adebayo
Edwards has shown he can set up a team to be defensively solid in this league, especially when he had a proper DM in Nakamba. Just hope we don’t move away too much from what brought us success last time we were in this division. The ultra brave / foolish football from the back end of last season won’t necessarily be any more successful in the championship. However it is hard to judge when we had 3 raw teenagers in key positions as we did tonight.
I don't see any evidence that Robbie is capable of learning that lesson. He tried it week in week out last season, just desperately trying to recreate the Brighton game. I'm not sure he'll compromise on his principles anytime soon. And that will be the end of him here.
Yeah, don’t disagree. Could have played Mengi as the RCB and Holmes central but I thought Walters was comfortably the best of the three teenagers in any case. Was Edwards making some sort of point to Sweet? It doesn’t seem like the sort of thing he’d do, but it was an odd selection.
For Robs style of play to work, we require defenders with pace and athleticism, to go man vs man with the opponent. Holmes has very little pace and would get caught out consistently (as we are currently anyway).
Rob seems wedded to the back 3/5 system, regardless of opposition or personnel available. I think we’ve become far too easy to figure out and play against, and have detracted from many of the principles that earnt us promotion.
There isn't a top team anywhere playing three at the back. And as for the man for man nonsense, that either. Their first goal is a direct result of both those nonsenses. You cannot have one of your three (Walters) rushing up and engaging their left back. He has to stay zonally and alongside Mendi. He does that they can't score that goal. But he did, and a 30 yard hole opened up that their midfielder ran into. He was already ahead of Nelson who had no chance to get back. But who also probably not expecting our defence to part like the Red Sea and give them the freedom of the park.
That’s what I was referencing in my second paragraph. He seems to be wedded to the back 5, man vs man, high press, irrespective of our personnel or opposition.
I think he’s become star struck by the praise of pep, Klopp et Al, that he now believes this is the only way to go.
The 1-on-1 high press style worked well against Brighton and for 65 minutes against Newcastle away - but not many times other than that apart from in flashes - and now he seems totally fixed on it
Playing that way with 3 kids in defensive positions last night...
I don't think it'll change. Saturday will be very interesting
Agree, don't know what we were trying to be. However, I do know we were shite. On that performance can't see any Premier League team wanting any of our "star" players. Even if not playing well, at least put in a shift
Utterly bizarre showing. Morris worked hard even if it wasn't his night. But most of the others just went through the motions, which has been rare of Luton teams these last few years
As you say, if it isn't clicking then at least put in some work. That's unforgivable to not do that
There were probably 3 players who were, unfairly, thrown in the deep end tonight and they sank
Re: Yep
Posted by MG on 12/8/2024, 23:36:12, in reply to "Yep "
Hmmm, I'm going to stick up for Walters, thought he did reasonably well.
I'd also say Nelson showed some good touches.
Feels harsh to say they simply "sank". I suspect we've got two decent young players there.
Re: Yep
Posted by Music Critic on 12/8/2024, 23:43:28, in reply to "Re: Yep "
Don't disagree that they might come good but tonight was a ridiculous sort of game to play all three of those youngsters
Not criticising them. They got hung out
Re: Yep
Posted by Notorious D on 13/8/2024, 0:00:53, in reply to "Re: Yep "
I know Pelly has his limitations as a ball playing midfielder, but he possesses athleticism and strength; we rarely get overrun in midfield when he plays. I suspect the first goal wouldn’t have happened if he was playing. Picking a player out of position for his first senior start is utter madness, when you have a decent champ midfielder on the bench.
If I’m being completely honest, and I recall we both shared this view in about February/march, I really can’t get on board with this man vs man ‘Robball’ approach. It’s a style completely alien to any success we’ve had over recent years, and leaves us significantly vulnerable and unbalanced. Even the weaker teams in the division will punish us with a simple long ball in behind, and deploying a low block.
I fear this season will be a real struggle, unless he tweaks things, urgently.
Re: Yep
Posted by Sick boy on 13/8/2024, 7:25:11, in reply to "Re: Yep "
It's completely alien to any success anywhere. Can you name any top team anywhere playing like we do?
Re: Yep
Posted by Music Critic on 13/8/2024, 0:04:36, in reply to "Re: Yep "
Agree
Re: Yep
Posted by Chris on 12/8/2024, 23:50:07, in reply to "Re: Yep "
All true Berry Campbell and Fred Onyedinma as good as any out there tonight stupid to play all the youngsters hate to say it Jones miles ahead tactically!
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