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    Flip flop gambling

    Posted by Oh dear on 25/6/2024, 11:37:49

    Norman Wisdom does another flip flop.

      Re: Flip flop gambling

      Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 25/6/2024, 12:47:49, in reply to "Flip flop gambling "

      Do these people have any insight into who will win the Euros?

        Re: Flip flop gambling

        Posted by The Outsider on 25/6/2024, 12:03:59, in reply to "Flip flop gambling "

        I can understand why people should be suspended if found guilty or they admit to breaking the rules but, where they deny committing an offence, why should any action be taken?

          Re: Flip flop gambling

          Posted by W12 Hatter on 25/6/2024, 13:00:38, in reply to "Re: Flip flop gambling "

          They are only suspended, just like a burglar being arrested and imprisoned on bail prior to trial. At that point neither have been found guilty.

            Re: Flip flop gambling

            Posted by Kbot on 25/6/2024, 12:31:58, in reply to "Re: Flip flop gambling "

            Yeah but itís okay if itís Angela Rayner and her tax affairs. 😄

              Re: Flip flop gambling

              Posted by MG on 25/6/2024, 13:17:28, in reply to "Re: Flip flop gambling "

              Ahem, has a team of a dozen detectives plus HMRC investigated this as well and concluded that there was no issue?

              If so, fair comparison, if not . . .

                Re: Flip flop gambling

                Posted by The Outsider on 25/6/2024, 13:29:53, in reply to "Re: Flip flop gambling "

                Surely, you need to take it back to the point where the accusations were made, which is where this case is at the moment. Labour and Lib Dems (and some Tories) have called for these people to be suspended because they are under investigation. As I said, I don't see the difference at this stage between these accusations and those against Angela Rayner. The investigation decided to take no action against her but she was allowed to continue in office whilst being investigated yet those in the current investigation seem to be being assumed guilty without trial.

                I prefer the innocent until proven guilty method but, either way, it should be applied consistently.

                  Re: Flip flop gambling

                  Posted by MG on 25/6/2024, 16:49:33, in reply to "Re: Flip flop gambling "

                  The point I was making was that Rayner is definitely different because it has been investigated with no action resulting.

                  Your point is not unreasonable except there does seem to be a far greater expectation of guilt in these cases and it would have been far less practical to manage suspensions in the Labour cases.

                    Re: Flip flop gambling

                    Posted by The Outsider on 25/6/2024, 17:15:21, in reply to "Re: Flip flop gambling "

                    Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves (and Daisy Cooper) are both saying that they should have been suspended as soon as the alleged offences came to light. On that basis, I can't see how they can justify Angela Rayner not being suspended as soon as the allegations were made. The fact that no action was subsequently taken against Rayner is irrelevant in as much as, using Starmer's own logic, she should have been suspended and only reinstated once no action was taken.

                    It doesn't matter which party is involved, it should consistently be innocent until proven guilty or vice versa for everyone and for one party to use one version and then argue that their opponents should use the other seems hypocritical to me.

                    As for the argument that it would have been less practical to manage suspensions, that suggests that the higher you are in the party, the more you can get away with - if anything, it should be the opposite. I see that there are suggestions that a Tory cabinet minister may be under investigation. If that is the case, there is no justification for them being treated differently.

                    As I said before, if any of them are found guilty, they should be thrown out of the party but, if the accusations prove to be untrue, their election results will have been affected by this - I have no idea what the situation is in either of the constituencies.

                      Re: Flip flop gambling

                      Posted by MG on 25/6/2024, 17:28:27, in reply to "Re: Flip flop gambling "

                      That's too black and white. If you suspend senior party figures every time an allegation is made our government and politics would grind to a halt.

                      Having done their own initial digging Labour concluded that suspensions were unnecessary, very low chance of anything coming of it.

                      Surely an accusation has to have a reasonable amount of weight against it to trigger a suspension. I note that Labour have just suspended an important candidate suspected of the same thing as the Tories . . .

                        Re: Flip flop gambling

                        Posted by The Outsider on 25/6/2024, 17:55:21, in reply to "Re: Flip flop gambling "

                        See my post above on this subject - apparently, he bet on himself losing at the election.

                          Re: Flip flop gambling

                          Posted by MG on 25/6/2024, 18:00:59, in reply to "Re: Flip flop gambling "

                          Lol, now that is stupidity of the highest order.

                        Re: Flip flop gambling

                        Posted by Well on 25/6/2024, 17:17:57, in reply to "Re: Flip flop gambling "

                        Donít get carried away.

                        It depends on whom is making the accusation.

                      Re: Flip flop gambling

                      Posted by Kbot on 25/6/2024, 14:32:36, in reply to "Re: Flip flop gambling "

                      Think it would help if they promise, as both Starmer and Rayner did when accused, that if found guilty they would resign.

                  Re: Flip flop gambling

                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 25/6/2024, 12:25:51, in reply to "Re: Flip flop gambling "

                  Isnít it normal for people suspected of wrongdoing to be suspended during investigation?

                    Re: Flip flop gambling

                    Posted by The Cruiser on 25/6/2024, 12:36:45, in reply to "Re: Flip flop gambling "

                    In this instance, there is clear proof that certain people close to the heart of Government laid bets on the date of the General Election.

                    I suppose that crux of the matter is whether they got the date correct. If they did then there is more than a suspicion of wrongdoing and for some of them at least, potential misconduct in public office.
                    Under those circumstances I would have thought that suspension would be warranted.

                      Re: Flip flop gambling

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                      Re: Flip flop gambling

                      Posted by Godders on 25/6/2024, 12:29:24, in reply to "Re: Flip flop gambling "

                      Yes, which I always think is a bit odd as anyone could make any allegations about anyone else just to get them suspended. Even if they are proved untrue their character will be marked as people often think no smoke without fire etc.

                        Re: Flip flop gambling

                        Posted by The Outsider on 25/6/2024, 12:26:38, in reply to "Re: Flip flop gambling "

                        Angela Rayner?

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