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    Best TV panel

    Posted by Moneygrabber on 23/6/2024, 19:27:03

    Brian Clough, Jack Charlton, Malcom Allison & Terry Venables.

      Re: Best TV panel

      Posted by GammonWatch on 23/6/2024, 19:56:40, in reply to "Best TV panel"

      All boring, old, white men. No thanks. Would rather have a few different voices and perspectives.

        Re: Best TV panel

        Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 23/6/2024, 20:49:58, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

        Racist, ageist and sexist, well done

          Re: Best TV panel

          Posted by Sandy Frappucino on 23/6/2024, 21:14:36, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

          Try reading a book or two.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality will be a good start.

            Re: Best TV panel

            Posted by sloopy on 23/6/2024, 21:23:16, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

            That's your bedtime reading is it? No wonder nobody understands the ordinary people.

            Re: Best TV panel

            Posted by Nige the Clown on 23/6/2024, 21:12:18, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

            True though you woke warrior

            Re: Best TV panel

            Posted by m on 23/6/2024, 20:27:37, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

            Iíd add Ron Atkinson

              Re: Best TV panel

              Posted by Godders on 23/6/2024, 20:53:23, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

              Agree. Always enjoyed listening to his punditry.

                Re: Best TV panel

                Posted by sloopy on 23/6/2024, 20:38:25, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                The man who was accused of being racist because he used the N word about one of his own players, despite having been one of the earliest managers to take black players on and give them the opportunity. The N word was widely used by people of his and my generation, which is hard to comprehend nowadays, but I kid you not that you could go into a haberdashery shop and buy a reel of cotton which was N brown. Times change but it does take time

                  Re: Best TV panel

                  Posted by Bored in Flitwick on 23/6/2024, 21:37:40, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                  And shoe polish

                    Re: Best TV panel

                    Posted by Godders on 23/6/2024, 20:58:07, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                    I remember as a kid my parents having a card game called "Bob's yer Uncle" and it there was a set of 1, 2, or 3 little n boys! Quite extraordinary now.

                    I think Ron Atkinson's track record speaks itself. I really don't think he's racist at all but a slip of the tongue from someone from a different generation. That's my take on it anyway.

                      Re: Best TV panel

                      Posted by jimmyp on 23/6/2024, 21:27:45, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                      "lazy, thick, nigger" is quite the slip of the tongue.

                      Different generation, yeah. Different generation when it was OK to call people "nigger".

                      Cheers, Jim

                        Re: Best TV panel

                        Posted by Well on 24/6/2024, 8:02:33, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                        Why can't you use the "N" as other people have?

                          Re: Best TV panel

                          Posted by jimmyp on 24/6/2024, 10:36:20, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                          Because that's not what he said.

                          Cheers, Jim

                          Re: Best TV panel

                          Posted by sloopy on 23/6/2024, 21:53:39, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                          If he had said lazy, thick person then presumably that would have been ok?

                            Re: Best TV panel

                            Posted by jimmyp on 23/6/2024, 22:42:57, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                            Well, of course it would have been.

                            But, he wouldn't have said "lazy, thick" if he wasn't then going to say "nigger".

                            Cheers, Jim

                              Re: Best TV panel

                              Posted by sloopy on 23/6/2024, 22:55:52, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                              I am not by any means saying that the N word is in any way acceptable. However, this was some years ago and that he would probably have used that word many times without wishing to cause offence to his race as it was in such common use amongst his generation. I remember my Dad saying all sorts of things in my young days that he didn't say as he got older. He was certainly not a racist, and would have been mortified if anyone thought otherwise, but language used as common place takes time to filter through. People just do not change their habits over night

                                He was certainly not a racist, [...], but...

                                Posted by I Love Big Buts on 23/6/2024, 23:55:16, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                                It was also common to commit heinous crimes in Nazi Germany. Doesn't excuse their actions, and they're still racist pigs.

                                The quicker your generation realise the harm you've done to so many people and communities through greed, arrogance, and bigotry, the better we'll all be.

                                  Re: He was certainly not a racist, [...], but...

                                  Posted by sloopy on 24/6/2024, 17:48:21, in reply to "He was certainly not a racist, [...], but..."

                                  Only just seen your post. You obviously think that I'm racist, which I most certainly am not, nor have ever been.
                                  I also see that you are too chicken to use you own posting name. Dickhead

                                  Re: Best TV panel

                                  Posted by jimmyp on 23/6/2024, 23:02:59, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                                  I'm not much younger than you and I can remember all sorts of stuff that was common usage but would get you sacked today.

                                  But, it wasn't that long ago that he said that and when he did he'd have known that it was completely unacceptable. To be fair to him, I think he accepts that, I'm not sure that I've heard him complain about it.

                                  Cheers, Jim

                            "don't think he's racist at all but..."

                            Posted by Steak and Appease on 23/6/2024, 21:18:35, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                            Funny how there's always a 'but' with these dog-whistling racists.

                            There's no room for racism. There's never an excuse.

                              Re: "don't think he's racist at all but..."

                              Posted by sloopy on 23/6/2024, 21:32:10, in reply to ""don't think he's racist at all but...""

                              Yet another new name jumping on bandwagons. I haven't a clue about which generation you are from, but I was born in the 50's when things were very different to today. For things to change it takes years and indeed generations to fully change thoughts, ideals and and actions , especially when other thoughts ideals and actions are continually evolving. I suspect that you are about 20 and still have a lot to learn. I hope you succeed

                              Re: Best TV panel

                              Posted by m on 23/6/2024, 21:15:00, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                              It's a strange old thing. I was a kid in Luton in the 70s and Ricky Hill was probably one of the first black people I saw regularly , we had Sri Lankan neighbours who were lovely and our families got on well with.

                              It's the different generation thing. you're spot on Godders

                          Re: Best TV panel

                          Posted by Noticer of things on 23/6/2024, 20:00:07, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                          Racist.

                            Re: Best TV panel

                            Posted by GammonWatch on 23/6/2024, 20:06:26, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                            Quite difficult that.

                            Racism = Prejudice + Power.

                            Impossible for there to be racism towards the privileged classes.

                              Re: Best TV panel

                              Posted by Worm on 24/6/2024, 13:00:27, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                              Racism has nothing to do with power !
                              Just hatred of another racial group.
                              It's quite common throughout the world and certainly more prevalent in other cultures.

                                Re: Best TV panel

                                Posted by sloopy on 23/6/2024, 20:17:51, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                                In those days there were very few past British players that were not white. They were extremely good in telling it as it was and were not afraid to have a disagreement on opinions. Rather different to today. No racism at all

                            Re: Best TV panel

                            Posted by Careful on 23/6/2024, 19:39:35, in reply to "Best TV panel"

                            You'll have NaG calling you a racist.

                              Re: Best TV panel

                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 23/6/2024, 19:51:31, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                              Donít be stupid.

                              Oh no, you canít help being dim, can you?

                                Re: Best TV panel

                                Posted by Anon on 23/6/2024, 19:52:32, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                                I don't think you're the real NAG

                                  Re: Best TV panel

                                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 23/6/2024, 20:13:25, in reply to "Re: Best TV panel"

                                  Another wrong thought.

                              Re: Best TV panel

                              Posted by sloopy on 23/6/2024, 19:31:26, in reply to "Best TV panel"

                              They most certainly were. You knew what they were talking about, and not afraid to upset anyone

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