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    And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

    Posted by Godders on 21/6/2024, 18:58:09

    With views like this:

    BBC News - General election live: Nigel Farage tells BBC that West provoked Ukraine war, as he's grilled in Panorama interview - BBC News
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjqq8kgz80yt

      Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

      Posted by Anon on 21/6/2024, 22:18:16, in reply to "And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

      He’s only 100% correct though.

      Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

      Posted by mmmm on 21/6/2024, 21:02:42, in reply to "And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

      Yes. He's right on every aspect. As annoying as that may be for whatever agenda you have Godders. The simple fact is that Putin's actions are a direct response to NATO provocation. That doesn't make his action right in any way but it is an accurate description of the reasons for his action. None so blind as those that won't see..

        Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

        Posted by Ramridge Raider on 21/6/2024, 21:18:44, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

        Are you able to coherently explain the 'NATO provocation' ?

          Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

          Posted by Really? on 21/6/2024, 22:41:40, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

          He might be able to. Trouble is is that it's your ability to understand things that seems to be the major stumbling block here.....

            Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 21/6/2024, 23:23:16, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

            Go on, then Brains. Just what is the "Nato provocation"?

              Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

              Posted by mmmm on 22/6/2024, 10:04:37, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

              I'll explain it NaG, happy to.
              NATO expansion has fuelled the 'EU bogeyman' that Putin and his government fear the most. They fear democracy. Once Ukraine becomes a member of NATO the next step would be to join the EU.

              You're a Labour voter so I suppose you listen to and trust your party and its members more than the likes of Nigel Farage. Lord Robinson has been echoing Farage who has been echoing Putin. NATO gave Putin all the motivation he needed. The thick black vs white, good vs bad regulars on here won't understand this or will refuse to just because they are so prejudiced against Farage. He's actually right about many things apart from his poster child of leaving the EU which is why I don't have time for him.

            Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

            Posted by Probably best on 21/6/2024, 22:48:12, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

            To go to be now mmmm.

            Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

            Posted by Boris Yeltsin on 21/6/2024, 21:26:45, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

            Russia and Ukraine have no decent geographical borders. The homeland of Russia is the Volga Basin, the homoeland of Ukraine is the Dnipr basin. The Don basin in between is split between the 2.

            Nations whose borders aren't defined by geography will never be stable.

            Russia sees Ukraine as part of its sphere of influence, for enriching their oligarch classes, being a decent source of labour and grain, and acting as a buffer zone for defence purposes.

            "The West" courted Ukraine and effectively 'flipped it blue' through diplomatic means. This - in Russia's eyes - is an attack on them.

            Remember, it's not about being things being ethically right or wrong, it's about how Russia have perceived things. The West, i.e. NATO, have spread their influence eastwards, and Russia felt they had to act. They too, have imperialistic desires, just as we do. After all - territory and influence = money and power.

            Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

            Posted by mmmm on 21/6/2024, 21:25:44, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

            Are you able to think for yourself?

          Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

          Posted by Wat Tyler on 21/6/2024, 21:11:01, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

          It is neither a “simple fact” nor an “accurate description of the reasons for his actions.”

          Your last sentence, ironically enough, is spot on.

        The key question tonight…..

        Posted by Pollster on 21/6/2024, 19:44:07, in reply to "And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

        Do the Tory press fully turn their attacks on Farage?

        Putin v Corbyn……. Not quite a fair comparison.

        So do the Tory press dare???

        So far it’s all been at Starmer and clearly hasn’t changed the polls.

          Re: The key question tonight…..

          Posted by Give it a rest on 21/6/2024, 19:48:39, in reply to "The key question tonight….."

          Cuba

            Re: The key question tonight…..

            Posted by Pollster on 21/6/2024, 20:06:12, in reply to "Re: The key question tonight….."

            Daily Mail in meltdown.

            “Farage backs Vlad”

            But the comments all support Farage.

          Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

          Posted by Bellend Spotter on 21/6/2024, 19:12:42, in reply to "And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

          He's always had a big stiffy for Vlad

            Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

            Posted by Your Vote Changes the World on 21/6/2024, 19:18:23, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

            They've sleepwalked into empowering Reform/UKIP/Brexit, and as such, playing into Putin's hands.

            Absolute donkeys incapable of long-term thinking; blinded by short-term corporate profits and building a nice house in Surrey.

            Unless you're a politician who can demonstrate actual competence and evidence of pushing through beneficial policy, you're as much of a useful idiot as Farage.

              Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

              Posted by icancyu on 21/6/2024, 19:38:18, in reply to "Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

              Meanwhile, the silent majority scroll through comments like yours, roll their eyes and shake off the veiled abuse ...'Absolute donkeys incapable of long-term thinking'.....and think , what an absolute bellend. So typical of the smugerati who convince themselves of their righteousness and the best way to bring people around to their way of thinking......is to abuse them........!

                Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                Posted by Wat Tyler on 21/6/2024, 20:02:36, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                The idea that there’s a “silent” majority is laughable.

                  Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                  Posted by The Questioner on 21/6/2024, 20:27:05, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                  What you mean like the 5 million people that voted in the EU referendum who had never voted before ….that silent majority.
                  Sorry Wat ….that comment is laughable.
                  Appreciate it’s not a majority but it shows a lot of people don’t engage and in the example I give,enough to secure Brexit.

                    Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                    Posted by Wat Tyler on 21/6/2024, 20:31:57, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                    “Appreciate it’s not a majority”

                    Well, what a good argument you’ve made there. Nothing laughable about that at all.

                    Now prove they were “silent”.

                      Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                      Posted by The Questioner on 21/6/2024, 22:13:17, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                      Watch Brexit: the uncivil war ….that will help you understand.

                        Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                        Posted by Wat Tyler on 21/6/2024, 22:24:53, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                        I’ve seen it. It was very good.

                        Now, carry on about this “silent majority” (which you’ve conceded isn’t a majority and have yet to prove they’re particularly silent).

                          Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                          Posted by The Questioner on 21/6/2024, 22:47:27, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                          I am not sure how I can explain it anymore.5 million people voted who had never voted before and felt that voting didn’t make any difference to them….same government same shit.
                          Silent majority is a saying it’s not literal….

                    Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                    Posted by #thickelectorate on 21/6/2024, 20:14:02, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                    If it is now, it never used to be. They they would not say boo to a goose despite the obvious failings the tory party then, on election day, come out in their hundreds of thousands and cast their vote next to the tory candidate far too embarrassed to talk about it prior to or after the event.

                    As a micro model of the UK on this mb it's odd that despite this being quite right wing it's the lefties that tend to be the most vocal; crumpsall, MG, NAG, Godders, HH, Buzzard, jimmyp etc. yet on any poll the right wing options tend to be out in front.

                      Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                      Posted by Old school poster on 21/6/2024, 20:10:13, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                      You don't realise there's huge numbers that only read outlaws but rarely, if ever post? You're even thicker than we thought.

                        Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                        Posted by Interesting on 21/6/2024, 20:14:08, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                        😆 did you do a poll?

                        What research have you done to come to that conclusion Bloke?

                          Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                          Posted by Old school poster on 21/6/2024, 20:20:13, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                          This messageboard gets thousands of individual hits per day. There used to be an icon at the bottom of the page in the days I used use my laptop to come on here.
                          It's really not that hard to comprehend.

                            Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                            Posted by The Outsider on 21/6/2024, 20:32:11, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                            There still is. Over 3000 "unique visitors" each day. The record is 28113 on the day that Nathan Jones moved to Stoke.

                            https://extremetracking.com/open?login=loutlaw

                            UV PV PPV
                            21 Jun, Fri 3,142 21,104 6.72
                            20 Jun, Thu 4,207 28,442 6.76
                            19 Jun, Wed 4,209 25,902 6.15
                            18 Jun, Tue 4,070 25,863 6.35
                            17 Jun, Mon 4,042 27,060 6.69
                            16 Jun, Sun 3,430 20,610 6.01
                            15 Jun, Sat 3,597 23,169 6.44
                            14 Jun, Fri 4,239 28,168 6.64
                            13 Jun, Thu 3,603 17,629 4.89
                            12 Jun, Wed 3,875 21,776 5.62
                            11 Jun, Tue 3,833 18,853 4.92
                            10 Jun, Mon 3,910 20,962 5.36
                            09 Jun, Sun 3,329 18,831 5.66
                            08 Jun, Sat 3,212 18,718 5.83
                            07 Jun, Fri 4,104 25,591 6.24
                            06 Jun, Thu 4,346 26,065 6.00
                            05 Jun, Wed 4,326 27,618 6.38
                            04 Jun, Tue 4,498 28,008 6.23
                            03 Jun, Mon 4,662 28,080 6.02
                            02 Jun, Sun 3,298 18,372 5.57

                              Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                              Posted by Old school poster on 21/6/2024, 20:55:30, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                              Yes, I recall it pushing 20,000 around the time we played at City's ground in the play off. The numbers have dropped in recent times, I suppose because of the trolls and weirdos that take over so much but you've proved my point to 'interesting' (he's clearly not!!) To be correct.

                                Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                                Posted by Wat Tyler on 21/6/2024, 20:39:10, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                                That’s still very impressive . How does it work exactly?

                                Are these unique visitors to the site or to pages? Is each message a new page of this site or is outlaws a page of boardhost? Do the bots that post count (and are any bots prevented from posting but still count as views?

                              Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                              Posted by Interesting on 21/6/2024, 20:28:24, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                              Maybe 10 years ago or more.

                              This place has a rather poor reputation these days in my experience of talking to folk.

                              I’m being very kind with the use of the word “poor”.

                                Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                                Posted by The Outsider on 21/6/2024, 20:36:12, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                                See above - the figures are still high compared to the number of posters.

                                Jun 81,646
                                May 150,617
                                Apr 145,707
                                Mar 143,268
                                Feb 151,188
                                Jan 183,598
                                Dec 151,066
                                Nov 131,443
                                Oct 143,464
                                Sep 159,662
                                Aug 242,082
                                Jul 233,172
                                Jun 189,012
                                May 217,440
                                Apr 162,241
                                Mar 153,066
                                Feb 159,245
                                Jan 189,085
                                Dec 119,544
                                Nov 175,627

                                  Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                                  Posted by Interesting on 21/6/2024, 20:38:55, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                                  Yes seen.

                                  If a poster visits on and off 50 times a day.

                                  That gets recorded as 1 or 50?

                                    Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                                    Posted by The Outsider on 21/6/2024, 20:46:20, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                                    It is "unique visitors". I think that a "normal" poster would only count once per day but some of the trolls who keep changing their IP address would probably count more than once.

                                    Against that, when Cuba or Mike/Ron/Dave post under ten different names on the same day, they are only counted once whereas they would be counted multiple times in the number of people posting.

                                    My guess would be that no more than a couple of hundred or so people post on an average day so there are many times that amount who read but don't post.

                                Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                                Posted by Wat Tyler on 21/6/2024, 20:24:52, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                                At what evidence do you have that these thousands of non-posting visitors make up a “silent majority”?

                              Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                              Posted by icancyu on 21/6/2024, 20:11:32, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                              This

                            Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                            Posted by icancyu on 21/6/2024, 20:06:38, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                            OK

                            Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                            Posted by Yep on 21/6/2024, 19:40:31, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                            It's his routine. 24/7 on here under various names, thinking he's some superior being.
                            It's quite sad when you think about it. I almost feel sorry for him.

                              Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                              Posted by Interesting on 21/6/2024, 19:52:08, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                              No doubt you challenge whoever it is you are posting about on these subjects?

                                Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                                Posted by icancyu on 21/6/2024, 19:43:39, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                                I see it time after time on here, yet whenever there is a poll, which assures anonymity, the voices of the silent majority are heard and always polls higher than the gobshites.

                                  Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                                  Posted by Interesting on 21/6/2024, 19:48:59, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                                  When has a poll on here ever reflected well in comparison to the country in general?

                                  Let’s take the election poll for instance. If you believed the poll on here the Tories have it in the bag.

                                  Let’s see how that compares in two weeks time.

                                    Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                                    Posted by icancyu on 21/6/2024, 19:55:20, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                                    In two weeks time the question of 'Proportional Representation' will be front and centre of UK politics. Much like it was when it was LiDem policy...... Well that was until UKIP polled 4 million votes and returned 1 MP to Westminster....At the same election, the LibDem and SNP combined vote polled 300,000 fewer .....and returned a total of 68 MP's........... The 'Silent Majority' are no longer willing to remain 'silent'

                                    Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                                    Posted by The Outsider on 21/6/2024, 19:52:46, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                                    Certainly not saying that it will happen this time but, over recent years, election polls on Outlaws have proved surprisingly accurate even when the results have not been expected - at least the last three general elections, the last two US elections and the EU referendum.

                                      Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                                      Posted by Interesting on 21/6/2024, 19:56:05, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                                      As the Tories have being in power for 14 years and this place is full of them I’m not shocked by that.

                                      They got it badly wrong when Corbyn shocked May and will do so again in two weeks.

                                        Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                                        Posted by The Outsider on 21/6/2024, 19:59:11, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                                        I seem to recall that the polls on here in 2017 reflected the actual result in that they were a lot closer than was being predicted by the national polls at the time.

                                          Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable

                                          Posted by Interesting on 21/6/2024, 20:07:48, in reply to "Re: Makes the Actions of the "Responsible Parties" More Despicable"

                                          Not my memory.

                                          Any poll conducted on here is almost laughable considering who frequents this place.

                                          Reform would win the election if you believed LO polls.

                          Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

                          Posted by What? on 21/6/2024, 19:02:29, in reply to "And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

                          How do you know he's wrong?

                            Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

                            Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 21/6/2024, 19:01:46, in reply to "And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

                            Did you vote for Corbyn?

                              Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

                              Posted by Godders on 21/6/2024, 20:41:11, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

                              Corbyn has never been a ballot paper that I've had.

                              Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

                              Posted by Really on 21/6/2024, 19:08:43, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

                              Frog eye loon and the old trot are singing from the same hymn sheet on Russia

                              Both are fucking idiots

                                Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

                                Posted by crumpsall on 21/6/2024, 19:08:00, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

                                How often do you have to told, in simple language to suit, that only eligible people in Corbyn's constituency could vote for (or against) him?

                                It's surely not that difficult to grasp?

                                  Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

                                  Posted by Your Vote Changes the World on 21/6/2024, 19:15:45, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

                                  The UK has a flawed political system. Even though we have the illusion of voting for local representatives, in reality, we're voting for President type roles.

                                  If you asked people in the UK what their local MP actually does, and how they actually represent their constituency, very few would be able to answer. Also, come election time, there are no local debates, and hardly any focus given to local issues in campaigning materials.

                                  For the majority of people, voting against Labour was voting against Corbyn, and vice versa.

                                  Though feel free to prove me wrong in voicing what exactly the local MP you voted for was offering outside of party lines.

                                    Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

                                    Posted by crumpsall on 21/6/2024, 19:22:05, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

                                    My MP (Labour) is in shape or form a Corbynite


                                    Very decent representative for his constituency, and has been for 20+ years

                                      Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

                                      Posted by Mr T on 21/6/2024, 20:26:15, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

                                      Jesus, that’s very bad. Voting Labour is fine, but voting for a Corbynista is about as bad as it gets.

                                      Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

                                      Posted by Your Vote Changes the World on 21/6/2024, 19:25:48, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

                                      Still put his name on the Corbyn ticket though, right?

                                      If he was such a good local representative, his hard work, competence, success stories and reputation would've allowed him to distance himself from Corbyn.

                                        Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

                                        Posted by crumpsall on 21/6/2024, 20:17:41, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

                                        How do you mean he put his name on the Corbyn ticket? He clearly expressed his disapproval of him. Best not to comment on something you don't know about or understand really. You don't even know who you're talking about.


                                        He put the blame for Labour's defeat in the last election clearly on Corbyn's shoulders and said 'a decade of silence would be better for him'.

                                          Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

                                          Posted by Your Vote Changes the World on 21/6/2024, 20:40:44, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

                                          I know it's difficult to comprehend in this social media addicted world, but actions speak louder than tweets.

                                          If he disapproved with the party, he shouldn't represent it. Simple as. Saying "i don't like it" while still profiting from it makes you somebody with no principles.

                                          I hope the £1.4million the country's spent on his salary has resulted in more tangible successes than someone tweeting "a decade of silence".

                                            Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

                                            Posted by crumpsall on 21/6/2024, 21:22:14, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

                                            He approves wholeheartedly of the party and has worked for it for many years. But didn't approve of its previous leadership. And came out and said so.


                                            You are straining your point so much you've ruptured any logic or sense, so I can only conclude that you're very bored (and boring) or trolling.

                                            So 'bye now.

                                              Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

                                              Posted by Vote, etc on 21/6/2024, 21:50:21, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

                                              Party above nation and principles. Par the course.

                                              Shame we don't judge politicians on what they've actually achieved in their time collecting public money. Very few candidates can point to actually successes which THEY (i.e. not the party) have made happen.

                                    Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous

                                    Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 21/6/2024, 19:14:14, in reply to "Re: And this is why voting for Reform/Farage is so dangerous"

                                    You been on the lash? Corbyn is well known for being pro-Russian. That's why I asked Godders if he voted for Labour when Corbyn was leader. I don't even need to ask you.

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