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    Interested

    Posted by The Questioner on 21/6/2024, 10:38:42

    Genuine question from those that lean left of centre and are likely to vote Labour.
    What interests/ excites/gives you hope about the incoming Labour Party.How are they going to improve things?
    The Tory’s have been shit is a cop out.
    Be interested in what Crumps, Well , Wat Tyler , HH and a few others have to say?

      Re: Interested

      Posted by Madpig on 21/6/2024, 15:04:42, in reply to "Interested "

      I think this is more about stability more than excitement. From the moment Cameron gave up the PM job the parliamentary conservative party has been a seething pit of plot and counter plot. May and Truss were never going to survive. They were never meant to. However, despite the obvious back stabbing by Gove Boris did get the job...eventually. it sort of fucked up the plotters when he crushed Labour in the election, but even at that point the Sunak, Braverman and Patel axis were plotting to oust him.
      Unfortunately, he gave them all the help and ammunition needed to execute an overthrow
      Sunak quite brilliantly held his fire until he knew Bozza was isolated. It worked, but annoyingly Truss popped her head up and snatched the prize from Sunak's grasp.
      She was never going to survive that audacious act.
      By this time Sunak, Braverman and Patel were plotting. They deposed her, and with the implementing of some muscle, installed Sunak. That should've been that, but by this time the wheels were dropping off at an alarming rate. Sunak lied to Braverman, she in her turn rounded on him and abandoned him to his fate. All this done publicly and far from in the best possible taste.
      In the meantime, Brexit was left to rot in its crib, unloved and starved, possibly to the point that we'd be better off rejoining.
      Running concurrently with this is the true and certain knowledge that the plotting and blood letting in their ranks is far from over, so much so that Farage is possibly their new golden boy.

      Even if the next 5 years under labour are uneventful by those standards it will give the country time to heal it's wounds and work out what comes next.
      Really it's not a matter of voting Labour, it's more a case of not voting Tory

        Re: Interested

        Posted by jimmyp on 21/6/2024, 11:35:43, in reply to "Interested "

        It's not a cop-out. They have been fucking shit, at best, and downright bent at worst. And mostly the latter.

        If I lived somewhere where Peppa fucking Pig was the candidate best placed to oust an incumbent Tory, that's who I'd vote for.

        Overall, Labour are the only real alternative and at least do us the favour of pretending that they actually give a shit. I'd have preferred a Lib-Lab coalition and the resultant referendum on PR but we'll see.

        Cheers, Jim

          Re: Interested

          Posted by Madpig on 21/6/2024, 14:17:58, in reply to "Re: Interested "

          Agree with all jim

            Re: Interested

            Posted by Godders on 21/6/2024, 11:45:13, in reply to "Re: Interested "

            Some centre/left of centre coalition would be my ideal outcome.

              Re: Interested

              Posted by Bloke on 21/6/2024, 12:00:22, in reply to "Re: Interested "

              You’d vote for an Albanian people trafficker if he stood.

                Re: Interested

                Posted by Godders on 21/6/2024, 12:07:57, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                Don't be so utterly ridiculous.

                How about you?

                Give me 3 well thought out reasons for why you're going to vote the way you are.

                  Re: Interested

                  Posted by Observer on 21/6/2024, 12:06:48, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                  You’d vote for Fartage if you could.

                  I make the Right Reverend Reverend Wright right here.

                  Re: Interested

                  Posted by jimmyp on 21/6/2024, 11:51:25, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                  For me, specifically because the Lib-Dems' price would be PR.

                  I don't necessarily subscribe to the notion that a huge majority is inherently a dangerous thing for a Government to have but recent history suggests that it could be, at least for one particular party. They also did a pretty reasonable job of keeping the spivs in check during the last coalition.

                  Cheers, Jim

                    Re: Interested

                    Posted by Music Critic on 21/6/2024, 11:55:25, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                    I think, even if they get a large majority, the pressure on Labour to, at the very least, start making positive noises on electoral reform/PR will be significant. From all sorts of people... apart from the Tories

                      Re: Interested

                      Posted by jimmyp on 21/6/2024, 11:58:58, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                      As someone below alludes to, it may have been the condition of Labour and Lib-Dems agreeing to accommodate tactical voting.

                      I hope so.

                      Cheers, Jim

                        Re: Interested

                        Posted by Observer on 21/6/2024, 12:10:37, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                        Opposition parties always like the idea of electoral reform, until they get elected.

                        I expect the Cons and Reform Ltd will be very noisily demanding it from July 2024 onwards.

                          Re: Interested

                          Posted by Music Critic on 21/6/2024, 12:15:10, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                          Yes, very true, that's the problem. Especially when the opposition get back in with big majorities. Goes to their heads

                          I don't think the Tories will call for it though... unless they do get a genuinely historic hammering and are reduced down to double figures in terms of seat numbers (which I doubt will happen, although it is possible)

                            Re: Interested

                            Posted by Observer on 21/6/2024, 12:47:05, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                            I guess it’ll depend to an extent just how much variance there is between their vote share and number of seats. They might still outperform their share I guess, but they’d be the biggest losers from tactical voting which should be less of an issue with a PR system.

                          Re: Interested

                          Posted by Music Critic on 21/6/2024, 12:02:42, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                          Yes, agreed

                  Re: Interested

                  Posted by HH on 21/6/2024, 11:28:37, in reply to "Interested "

                  Tricky for me to answer without initially acknowledging the context of just how shit and damaging I consider the Tories to have been for this country. It's such a low bar that the Tories have taken us to. They seem so poisonous and pointless. Their policies appear at times deliberately cruel and harmful counterproductive.

                  Given that context, all I want right now is a competent government that prioritises working people. Labour have also made promises, regarding the renationalisation of railways, public energy companies, improved access to mental health, launching a public energy company etc which chime with me a lot better than what I've seen the Tories promise. I see more hope for change from Labour than I do from the Tories.

                  Being frank, Labour isn't flawless, Nor is Starmer. Stones the crows ....but when I compare him to any of the recent Tory PMs, he comes across as more decent and a more serious, less clown like idiotic demeanour. That's a significant improvement (albeit from a low starting point) from some recent PMs who come across as though they've not spent a day in their lives thinking about anything other than themselves.

                  I wish Labour were bolder. They need to show more courage, particularly on issues like climate change which shouldn't just be seen as optional if failing fiscal rules permit, rather should be the thing people focus above all us.

                  I wish in the face of such a weak government they were braver to take on elements of the press regarding their plans and explain why the fiscal rules aren't the be all and end all and aren't set in stone. Let's be honest, there's flexibility in fiscal rules that could be leveraged, If a government claims one of the wealthiest nations can't invest in its future through borrowing for research, technology, infrastructure, and cost reduction, then those fiscal rules are flawed. Of course, borrowing must be managed responsibly, but borrowing for investments which encourage GDP growth would be supported by the markets.

                  I get why they're so reluctant to openly say it and I think, despite committing to Tories spending plans for the next few years, that will change throughout the next term if they're in power.

                  Anyway, that's my two pence. Saying all of that, where I live I'll be tactically voting Lib Dem as there isn't a chance in hell of Labour winning the seat.

                    Re: Interested

                    Posted by The Questioner on 21/6/2024, 11:57:38, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                    Thanks as Godders says decent post. I have to go into a meeting but will respond later.

                      Re: Interested

                      Posted by Godders on 21/6/2024, 11:48:15, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                      Decent post

                      Re: Interested

                      Posted by Wat Tyler on 21/6/2024, 11:23:59, in reply to "Interested "

                      Whilst I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt over whether your question is “genuine” or not, I have to reject its premise. Your use of “interests / excites / gives you hope” is particularly limiting, especially as you then set rules by which anyone can answer (“the torys have been shit is a cop out”.) Wouldn’t asking: “Why are you going to vote the way you are” have been better, more “genuine” and appear less leading?

                      Like Buzzard below, I am left of centre, and like him (I suspect), Labour have moved too far to the right in my opinion (and for my politics) positioning themselves largely as a centre right party and occupying the ground vacated by the Tory’s pandering to the further right elements within them in an attempt to placate the Reform / UKIP / Tufton Street cancer that’s been growing for a decade.

                      I want the Torys out, I want them wiped out in fact. I want them punished and humiliated for all the corruption, cronyism, mismanagement, cleptocracy and culture war bullshit they’ve inflicted on us for 14 years. I will vote tactically to do this, for one of the three options that broadly sit to the left of the Torys . In my constituency, that’s a Labour vote.









                        Re: Interested

                        Posted by The Questioner on 21/6/2024, 11:34:12, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                        Well you could have answered it in that way if you wanted and if inclined please do?

                        You have let me down Wat as your reply is just “ I hate the Tory’s”…nothing tangible.

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                          Posted by Well on 21/6/2024, 11:40:38, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                          Let’s ask you as I’ve tried below.

                          Why do you identify as a Tory and give us a list of achievements in the last 14 years?

                          You’ve had answers so now is your time.

                            Re: Interested

                            Posted by The Questioner on 21/6/2024, 11:56:35, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                            I identify as a Tory as I believe in capitalism and putting the economy first which traditionally has been the Tory mandate.
                            Get the economy right then it’s a question of spending that money wisely and making sure those less fortunate are looked after.No money you can’t do that.
                            As someone who pays a lot of tax I wouldn’t want to see that increase as believe those of us in that bracket contribute our fair share.The misnomer that increasing taxes for people in my position helps is nonsense and is proven time and time again.
                            I can’t give you a list as I don’t think they have done a great job and imo having a vote on Brexit and in the manner it was put through did huge damage to our country.We effectively had 5 years of non government as we argued about a fucking exit plan. We then had the pandemic which is very easy to say in hindsight you should have done that or this but imo impossible to get right.
                            If Boris was still Prime Minister I wouldn’t vote Conservative, however I like Sunak and think he will do a job as good as anyone.

                              Re: Interested

                              Posted by MG on 21/6/2024, 13:21:34, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                              Obviously I wouldn't argue with the economy being a priority but our big mistake is capitalism. I don't mean we should switch to any kind of communism before the loons start up but capitalism needs to be strictly regulated and prioritised only where appropriate.

                              We could start by putting GDP in its place.

                                Re: Interested

                                Posted by Godders on 21/6/2024, 12:11:32, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                Decent post - although I disagree with much of it. Thank you for putting across a sensible response.

                                BTW I do think Sunak does try to wantto make a help. Unfortunately, he's so out of touch, and out if his depth.

                                  Re: Interested

                                  Posted by Wat Tyler on 21/6/2024, 12:10:02, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                  The irony being that Sunak wasn’t even the Tories first choice. He lost to Truss who pledged: “(to) fight the election as a Conservative and govern as a Conservative.” She subsequently monumentally fucked the economy in a premiership than lasted just 50 days.


                                Re: Interested

                                Posted by Wat Tyler on 21/6/2024, 11:37:39, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                My hate for the Tory’s is tangible and I couldn’t give a fuck how you feel about my answer.

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                              Posted by Floater on 21/6/2024, 11:23:56, in reply to "Interested "

                              I'm voting tactically to remove the Tories using this website https://tacticalvote.co.uk/

                              I have no expectation that Labour will do better but I don't believe in rewarding the shit-show of the last 14 years with my 'X'.

                              I think that the turnout will be low. I'm interested in politics but the last 4 weeks have been an absolute grind! However, the electorate still have to take responsibility for their government.

                              As seen in various western democracies elsewhere, I do fear a swing to the hard right in 5 years if there is no discernible improvement.

                                Re: Interested

                                Posted by The Questioner on 21/6/2024, 11:27:36, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                Interested in your last point and I guess based on what is happening in other parts of Europe.
                                Whilst I don’t see this as a far left Labour Party it would suggest we are still a long way from the hard right which I agree would be horrific.

                                  Re: Interested

                                  Posted by Top Hat on 21/6/2024, 11:43:37, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                  I'm not sure I agree that we are a long way from it. Immigration needs to be controlled far better but Farage's use of "[Sunak] doesn't understand our culture" is one short hop from 'send them home'. Lot of support for this simplistic view, particularly on this messageboard.

                                Re: Interested

                                Posted by MG on 21/6/2024, 11:21:28, in reply to "Interested "

                                I'm pretty disappointed in what Labour have had to become in order to become "electable". That said, it's not unreasonable to be excited and determined to see the Tories out. They have plumbed new depths in so many ways and it's important to our democracy that they are sent a resounding message that it was simply not acceptable.

                                It's a message to future governments too.

                                But seeing as you see reducing levels of waste and corruption and hopefully restoring some level of decent behaviour in public service as copout material . . .

                                Thei plans for Great British Energy are sound, sadly watered down because the cost was too easy to target as them being profligate. It's a strategy long overdue.

                                The plans for the NHS, moving towards preventative methods as well as restoring dentistry and GP services etc are sound though I don't like the talk of more privatisation of course.

                                Actually doing the windfall and non-dom taxes right.

                                There are a few others but that's enough for one post.

                                There are what I would think of as bad signs too, they don't seem to be talking about restoring some of the human rights savaged in recent years and they aren't ruling out more fossil fuel shit either.

                                  Re: Interested

                                  Posted by Godders on 21/6/2024, 11:55:52, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                  I'm pretty disappointed in what Labour have had to become in order to become "electable".

                                  Like in 1997, Labour's lurch to the right was and is completely unnecessary to win that and this election. It's a real shame because it would give the country a chance to see exactly how well a left of centre could be fir the benefit of society at large rather than all this individualistic one-man upmanship that has dominated politics and society for decades and especially since the Thatcher years of the 80s.

                                    Re: Interested

                                    Posted by MG on 21/6/2024, 13:25:39, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                    The problem is the media, if Starmer said "There is a chance we might have to add fractionally to income tax in order to invest" the headlines would be "Labour plans to ransack family finances in desperate raid for cash" etc etc.

                                    And sadly, it would change the minds of large numbers of people.

                                    Re: Interested

                                    Posted by The Questioner on 21/6/2024, 11:30:53, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                    Very true that they haven’t had to promise or do much to get elected.

                                    Not sure about your comments re the NHS …with our population growing so much I don’t believe we can afford or adequately run a free state health service.

                                    Interesting points though|- thanks.

                                      Re: Interested

                                      Posted by Sheff on 21/6/2024, 11:40:40, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                      The problems in the NHS have very little to do with the growing population, the main cause appears to be the increase in life expectancy and hence older people.

                                      People need to understand that when a politician says "the country can't afford it" what they actually mean is they think they have better things to spend the money on.

                                    Re: Interested

                                    Posted by Well on 21/6/2024, 11:20:29, in reply to "Interested "

                                    How will they improve things is an interesting question.

                                    I’d answer by how can they get worse?

                                    In my lifetime the last 5 years feels like we are being run by a mafia of crooks liars and kernts never seen before.

                                    Starmer is more your cup of tea than mine and is only scratching the surface on the radical changes needed to fix this country.

                                    Now I’d ask you a question. When you voted that fat kernt in, did you really expect things to improve?

                                      Re: Interested

                                      Posted by Oh on 21/6/2024, 11:30:43, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                      You spend half you life crying on this board about the tories yet still can't come up with anything to suggest Labour will be better. Your routine is fucking shit.

                                        Re: Interested

                                        Posted by Well on 21/6/2024, 11:36:17, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                        Let’s test that out brains.

                                        He is offering more privatisation on the NHS which I don’t like but maybe we have no choice.

                                        Scraping non don and tax loopholes which is good.

                                        Scraping the private school VAT freebie and using it in state schools which is good.

                                        Now explain why Norman Wisdom is a good option?

                                        In more than 5 words ta.

                                          Re: Interested

                                          Posted by Rupert on 21/6/2024, 14:06:17, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                          I think you're scrapping the bottom of the barrel there!

                                            Re: Interested

                                            Posted by Oh on 21/6/2024, 11:39:13, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                            You could have just types that in your first post.
                                            But that wouldn't uave given you the opportunity to do yet more crying about the tories I suppose.

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                                              Posted by Well on 21/6/2024, 11:44:06, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                              My and the countries hatred of the Tories is pretty self explanatory.

                                              Don’t you think?

                                              My love for new labour is not unconditional by any means.

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                                        Posted by Plasticpaddy on 21/6/2024, 11:12:27, in reply to "Interested "

                                        Why is the tories being corrupt , incompetent and criminal a cop out? Can anyone say life is better now than when the Tories took over? well apart from the clearly intransigent right wing loons.I'm looking forward to some decency in public life and the end to the bile of Rees-mugg, mordaunt, Gullis, Braverman, patel et al.

                                          Re: Interested

                                          Posted by Godders on 21/6/2024, 11:11:56, in reply to "Interested "

                                          I'm generally left of centre and, whilst Labour would be a significant improvement I'm currently thinking about voting Green. They fit far better into my political ideology. And given that Labour may well win here in Dunstable and Leighton Buzzard it would be good to vote for who I wanted rather than just to oust the residing tory.

                                          As Buzzard has said below, I think a lot of Labour votes will come from disaffected tories or centralist voters.

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                                            Posted by The Cruiser on 21/6/2024, 11:36:20, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                            By being complacent and voting Green in your constituency, you run the risk of keeping the Tory in. It only takes maybe a couple of hundred people doing the same and that could happen.
                                            If you want Labour to form the next Government which is the only real alternative to the Tories, then vote for them.

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                                              Posted by Well on 21/6/2024, 11:23:14, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                              The Greens offer hope at least.

                                              However I only want a Tory destruction and will vote Labour hoping they are consigned to history forever.

                                                Re: Interested

                                                Posted by Music Critic on 21/6/2024, 11:38:12, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                Yes, there's lots of talk of people 'lending' their votes to Lib Dems or Labour or whoever as part of an anti-Tory strategy

                                                With the understanding, if the Tories are beaten, that there will be a proper debate on electoral reform...

                                                  Re: Interested

                                                  Posted by Music Critic on 21/6/2024, 11:39:19, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                  *Tactical voting strategy I meant to say

                                                Re: Interested

                                                Posted by Plasticpaddy on 21/6/2024, 11:15:22, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                Some of their Policies are excellent and they seem to be the only ones saying funding services will cost more money, Unfortunately they aren't an option in Bedford as voting anything else that Labour may result in an abominable Tory MP.

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                                                  Posted by MG on 21/6/2024, 11:24:12, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                  Yes, that's a huge problem, it's obvious we are in a hole and it will cost to dig us out. No-one is being honest about it because if they are honest about it they know they will lose swathes of votes.




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                                                Posted by m on 21/6/2024, 10:43:37, in reply to "Interested "

                                                To be honest. I’ve always been a bit of a floating voter and I don’t really talk about it or get involved in debate because there is no debate to be had with most people.
                                                I don’t know if labour will be any better or worse. But we just need change so can it be any worse ?
                                                What they will do different though. No idea.

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                                                  Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 21/6/2024, 10:57:34, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                  This government has managed to hit new lows but Labour have no real plans about how to deal with immigration, NHS etc so can't see how they will be any better and will probably be worse

                                                    Re: Interested

                                                    Posted by The Questioner on 21/6/2024, 10:54:37, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                    If Labour get the kind of majority currently being predicted it most definitely can get a lot worse.
                                                    If however they get a decent majority (no hung Parliament) then no I don’t think it can get worse and with an improving economy should get better imo.

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                                                      Posted by Sheff on 21/6/2024, 11:26:00, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                      Whether Labour make the country a better or worse place is dependent on their policies not the size of the majority.
                                                      What a stupid thing to infer

                                                        Re: Interested

                                                        Posted by The Questioner on 21/6/2024, 11:41:06, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                        Totally disagree …everyone talks about 14 years of Conservative rule forgetting that for a 5 year period we had a coalition.
                                                        Imo things started to turn when the Tory’s had such a large majority ( obviously Brexit ripped the country in half ).
                                                        If Labour get a huge majority and the far left of the party start to have sway then as someone who is pretty central I would be concerned. It may suit your agenda but hardly stupid.

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                                                          Posted by HH on 21/6/2024, 11:49:48, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                          If you're pretty central, are you genuinely happy with the way the Tories have performed?

                                                          I don't see them as appealing to anyone in the centre anymore as they would have once claimed to have done so.

                                                          I also think the far left are a long way from pulling any strings any time soon in the Labour party. I would say the far right are much closer to doing so in the Tory party, which has been part of the problem for the last decade. Pandering to the headbanging right and the likes of the ERG.

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                                                    Posted by Pollster on 21/6/2024, 10:43:27, in reply to "Interested "

                                                    I don’t think it’s about excitement, that is where we have all gone wrong.

                                                    It needs to be a quiet time in politics.

                                                    That is what you will get, focus on the job and get the country fixed.

                                                    We are so transfixed on a shows like the X Factor, Strictly etc and we need to focus on policy not personality.

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                                                      Posted by Pollster on 21/6/2024, 10:51:39, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                      Oh and to add that they won’t stop you getting a driving licence, stopping you getting a mortgage and a credit card if you don’t comply with the National Service plan.

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                                                      Posted by Buzzard on 21/6/2024, 10:42:50, in reply to "Interested "

                                                      I'm generally a left of centre voter and I won't be voting for Labour.

                                                      I think many of labour's vote will come from the centre/centre right.

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                                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 21/6/2024, 11:23:21, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                        I agree. Starmer is too centrist for me. I'll probably vote LibDem.
                                                        Although Selous will probably sweep the board again.

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                                                          Posted by The Cruiser on 21/6/2024, 12:55:25, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                          The Liberals have no chance of winning the seat.
                                                          Andrew Selous ( by all accounts a good constituency MP) isn't likely to sweep the board.
                                                          The Labour vote will be sizeable, and that combined with the votes that the Reform candidate will undoubtedly get, could make it much closer than you think.

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                                                            Posted by Godders on 21/6/2024, 12:04:33, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                            Selous is far from certain of winning here NaG according to the MRG polls. Buy if he does, there are far worse tory MPs.

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                                                              Posted by Buzzard on 21/6/2024, 11:43:08, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                              I'm hoping not. I wouldn't vote for them anyway.

                                                              His government is responsible for my wife being made redundant from her position as a school nursery nurse after over 30 years due to their continual cost cutting. Her, and 2 colleagues at her school have around 90 year experience between them and almost 70 in the school that they work

                                                              They are basically using low cost teaching assistants to do nursery care.

                                                              Good luck to the school.

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                                                                Posted by Music Critic on 21/6/2024, 11:30:38, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                                Not telling you or Buzzard how to vote at all but it depends on how strong your anti-Tory feeling is

                                                                If you want them destroyed at this election then voting tactically (stopthetories.vote) is the best way. And if that means voting Lab if they are the main challenger to the Tory, then that's what you should do

                                                                If you just want to vote with your heart and support the Lib Dem, then fine, but obviously splitting the centrist/centre-left vote might mean the Tory gets in again

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                                                                  Posted by Buzzard on 21/6/2024, 11:39:30, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                                  The LibDem candidate is local to me

                                                                  The Labour candidate is from Ely......

                                                                  I don't agree with Lib Dem 100% but at local council level they have been good for the town.

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                                                                    Posted by Music Critic on 21/6/2024, 11:43:37, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                                    As I say, no way I am telling you which way to vote but the best chance of the Tory winning is the Lib/Lab vote being split. That's fine if you're ok with that and want to go with your heart

                                                                    Like I say it depends on your feelings towards the Tories. If you just have a mild dislike for them then going with your heart is understandable. If you passionately hate them, it might be worth some consideration

                                                                    I know a few people who have said they will just vote for the party/candidate which stands the best chance of defeating the Tory... even if it is someone they would not usually would vote for

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                                                                      Posted by Buzzard on 21/6/2024, 11:45:08, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                                      so you are trying to tell me who to vote...

                                                                        Re: Interested

                                                                        Posted by Music Critic on 21/6/2024, 11:46:37, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                                        No, no. Just advising on tactical voting depending on your feelings towards the Tories.

                                                                        Thought I made that pretty clear but obviously not!

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                                                                          Posted by Buzzard on 21/6/2024, 11:48:44, in reply to "Re: Interested "



                                                                          I fully understand the point you are making but I will have to vote as I see it.

                                                                            Re: Interested

                                                                            Posted by Music Critic on 21/6/2024, 11:51:06, in reply to "Re: Interested "



                                                                            Cool. I'll be voting tactically!

                                                                    Re: Interested

                                                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 21/6/2024, 11:34:30, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                                    That is a good point.
                                                                    Oh well, there's still nearly a fortnight to go.

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                                                                  Posted by The Questioner on 21/6/2024, 10:51:56, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                                  Interesting …why wouldn’t you vote for Labour then as surely they are more aligned to your views or as your second sentence infers do you think they are to ‘centre’ ?

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                                                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 21/6/2024, 11:29:55, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                                    Let's face it, Dunstable, LB, HR and villages are never going to have a Labour majority.
                                                                    The LibDems seem more likely to win, as far as I can see.

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                                                                      Posted by Arfur Sixpence on 21/6/2024, 12:34:16, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                                      Even when B.Liar swept to power the Tories held the seat,stick a blue rosette on a Donkey and it would still get voted in.

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                                                                    Posted by LU7 Hat on 21/6/2024, 10:51:52, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                                    If you want the Tories out in L/Buzz then a Labour vote is your best bet. Selous is behind in the polls.

                                                                      Re: Interested

                                                                      Posted by Arfur Sixpence on 21/6/2024, 11:00:49, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                                      I voted Labour in the local elections because the candidate is a bloody good one,I won't be voting for someone who has been parachuted in who hasn't got a clue about the area they are hoping to represent.

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                                                                        Posted by LU7 Hat on 21/6/2024, 11:19:11, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                                        He is local (Strathern). He grew up in Bedfordshire even if he wasn’t born there.

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                                                                          Posted by Arfur Sixpence on 21/6/2024, 12:12:30, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                                          He?I think you should maybe go and tell her that then.

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                                                                            Posted by Buzzard on 21/6/2024, 11:44:14, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                                            The Labour candidate for South Beds is from Ely

                                                                              Re: Interested

                                                                              Posted by Sheff on 21/6/2024, 11:30:00, in reply to "Re: Interested "

                                                                              Strathern is standing in Hitchin which now includes parts of Mid Beds. That doesn't cover L/Buzz

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