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    Fābregas

    Posted by crumpsall on 16/6/2024, 23:04:14

    What an excellent analyst of the game. Very impressed.

      Re: Fābregas

      Posted by homer on 17/6/2024, 12:15:20, in reply to "Fābregas"

      And get rid of the Jock for Fabregas

        Re: Fābregas

        Posted by Observer on 17/6/2024, 7:49:09, in reply to "Fābregas"

        Why do these foreign types keep getting these jobs when good, old fashioned proper pundits like Lawro are thrown on the scrap heap?

        Box ticking, that’s what it is.

          Re: Fābregas

          Posted by HH on 17/6/2024, 7:05:44, in reply to "Fābregas"

          +1

          I thought he was superb. When he said you would never have seen Xavi and Iniesta doing what our midfield was towards the end of the game was spot on.

          Very scrappy and bitty and we only really got away with it because of Bellingham being a generational talent.

          Not sure what happens to Foden when he puts on an England shirt, he was virtually anonymous. I would have liked to have seen Gordon / Palmer on for Foden. Dunno if just me but Kane looked a tad overweight and slow to me, like he's lost half a yard.

          Considering the attacking players we have, I can't believe we end up giving it to Pickford who just launches it forward. That surely comes from the manager as they're not being coached like that at club level.

            Re: Fābregas

            Posted by Doctor Ince on 17/6/2024, 8:54:41, in reply to "Re: Fābregas"

            Agree he was very good.

            I think having Trippier and Foden on the same side is more the problem rather than Foden specifically.
            They both cut in all the time so there's no width on that side, and with Bellingham and Kane playing we end up with 3 players in a similar position and no one on the left. This means we have to force it through the right.

            Perhaps with Shaw on it'll look a bit different.

            Also I don't rate Gallagher but he has to start ahead of Trent, who was awful. Not convinced by guehi either.

            Writing is on the wall for us to get beaten by the first decent side we play. Serbia were well drilled just maybe lacked a bit of the quality needed.

            What really frustrated me was the bit you mention in your last paragraph. We pull everyone into our half to play out from the back, only to do two passes, return it to Pickford who then lumps it up to kane or saka. Neither are target men, and were up against a big back line. At one point Pickford got the ball back basically on the touchline.

            Either commit to playing it out, or mix it up a bit sometimes.

            I thought the team looked disjointed, I'd start Bowen or Gordon ahead of Foden to get actual pace down the wings

              Re: Fābregas

              Posted by HH on 17/6/2024, 9:00:37, in reply to "Re: Fābregas"

              I thought Guehi played well

              I don't see the fascination with Trent. He just seemed to give it away all the time and his passing looked awful.

              I do feel slightly for him as he didn't really have anyone to aim for - I understand why Foden drifts inside but if we had someone hugging that left touchline, like Saka does on the right, it gives Trent an obvious target with the long ball.

              You're right about Trippier - always turning inside because he's right footed. Probably explains why Foden is also inside more.

              Hopefully Shaw gives us some more balance.

              TBH, I would like to see Wharton start there over TAA or Gallagher. I thought he looked very good in the recent games.

              And Kane has to stop dropping back so deep. We don't need him to do that.

                Re: Fābregas

                Posted by Music Critic on 17/6/2024, 9:47:48, in reply to "Re: Fābregas"

                Yep, I thought Guehi was one of the bright spots

                This is a strange time to be an England fan

                On one hand, Southgate's tournament record pisses over most England managers and the players seem to like him. He's calm and takes the pressure off the players (perhaps too much?) and we have loads of good players

                On the other, our tempo is too slow, there's lots of possession without purpose, it's too deliberate and it's predictable. I thought we'd have transitioned by now into a team that still plays the possession game but at a better pace/tempo. We're the exact same as we were in 2018 but with better players now

                Another alarming trend is that they only seem to play well in first halves of games. What does Southgate say to them at half time?

                  Re: Fābregas

                  Posted by HH on 17/6/2024, 10:16:58, in reply to "Re: Fābregas"

                  Absolutely. It's frustrating to watch at times. Our team's ability to manage the game is terrible. We have a tendency to slow things down when we're in control, then when the pressure mounts, we inexplicably try to force the pace and make risky decisions. It's baffling considering these players are at the top of their game for their clubs, winning major trophies. Why do they regress to such an immature style of play when in possession for the national team?

                  Additionally, Gareth's reliance on Trent Alexander-Arnold to unlock defences is concerning, especially with the attacking firepower at our disposal. His tactics seem to stifle our creativity, and his answer is to deploy a right back in a central position to break down packed defences. It's a worrying sign.

                    Re: Fābregas

                    Posted by Music Critic on 17/6/2024, 10:25:37, in reply to "Re: Fābregas"

                    We have a tendency to slow things down when we're in control, then when the pressure mounts, we inexplicably try to force the pace and make risky decisions

                    Yep, the exact wrong way round to manage a game of football at elite level

                    It's just really weird

            Re: Fābregas

            Posted by Lavendon hat on 16/6/2024, 23:10:33, in reply to "Fābregas"

            Comes across very well doesn’t he - although I’m not quite sure about the Foden comment when he is played out of position I’m not sure how he is supposed to be at his best

              Re: Fābregas

              Posted by crumpsall on 16/6/2024, 23:24:42, in reply to "Re: Fābregas"

              Got you on that, but the comment about stepping up a level and taking responsibility- no loose play - is appropriate whatever position he's put in. Only applies to those rare players who can do all that. Foden has that talent. I thought he (Cesc) was fair when saying Bellingham is one step ahead in taking up responsibility....but crikey, what special talents they are.

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