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    So

    Posted by Desperate Dan on 12/6/2024, 7:54:04

    The economy in April has flatlined. The gift that keeps on giving, Rishi boy, has well and truly sealed the Torys fate. He cannot argue the economy is on the up, as he and his mates have been arguing in that "we" should stay the course with them as they are the ones to trust. What a complete tool. This is going to be epic on the night of the election complete devastation.

      Re: So

      Posted by HH on 12/6/2024, 9:39:37, in reply to "So"

      It's stupid to base an entire government's economic credibility on one month.

      There's enough in the last 14 years to show how fucking shit they are.

        Re: So

        Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 12/6/2024, 9:05:01, in reply to "So"

        It rained a lot so construction was down, subject to future revision of course. Monthly figures will fluctuate, but if politicians will grasp one set of numbers and amplify them, them when the next ones arenít so good they canít complain if people blame them.

          Re: So

          Posted by RGDave on 12/6/2024, 14:15:45, in reply to "Re: So"

          Have you not noticed the extremely poor way the economy has performed over the last 14 years? This has been a very poor government.

            Re: So

            Posted by Dishisunak on 12/6/2024, 9:52:47, in reply to "Re: So"

            FFS, a strong economy should NOT have to rely on good weather for growth.

            WTAF

            Re: So

            Posted by The Questioner on 12/6/2024, 8:44:09, in reply to "So"

            Did you read why or just wanted to use another soundbite.

              Re: So

              Posted by Desperate Dan on 12/6/2024, 8:52:15, in reply to "Re: So"

              It's all about the optics. Call an election of which the economy is only the biggest thing you could actually call an election on and then this! The bloke is a cock.

                Re: So

                Posted by MG on 12/6/2024, 8:54:29, in reply to "Re: So"

                You can't blame him, he went without Sky TV as a child.

                He knows real hardship does Rishi.

                  Re: So

                  Posted by HH on 12/6/2024, 10:04:55, in reply to "Re: So"

                  It's mad, isn't it?

                  He was born in 1980. How many homes had Sky TV in the early 90s?

                  I genuinely don't understand why Rishi went into politics. I've never known a PM to seemingly understand so little about the country he wants to govern. With every other PM in my lifetime they at least seemed to understand part of the country and appealed to some on some level.

                    Re: So

                    Posted by MG on 12/6/2024, 10:18:19, in reply to "Re: So"

                    Yes, though I think it's the high end of a trend rather than something brand new. Cameron was a relatively smooth operator but it was abundantly clear that he lacked any kind of empathy with or understanding of large parts of the population.

                    Rishi just seems off the scale though to be fair.

                      Re: So

                      Posted by HH on 12/6/2024, 11:00:14, in reply to "Re: So"

                      True.

                      One thing a bit strange, I guess Johnson wasn't asked these sort of questions like Rishi is.

                      Did he try to pretend he was just a normal guy? Or perhaps because they were ahead in the polls he wasn't trying to get himself out there as much as Rishi is with interviews

                        Re: So

                        Posted by MG on 12/6/2024, 11:26:22, in reply to "Re: So"

                        He was normally hiding in a fridge wasn't he?

                        Boris must have been a nightmare to advise though, kind of like Trump but maybe to be fair less obnoxious.

                        Re: So

                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 12/6/2024, 10:24:39, in reply to "Re: So"

                        What can you expect from a man who doesn't know how to "tap" a debit/credit card, nor fill a vehicle with fuel.

                          Re: So

                          Posted by MG on 12/6/2024, 11:25:09, in reply to "Re: So"

                          I know, you'd think he would have given up pretending he lives a normal life in any sense by now.

                      Re: So

                      Posted by Obadiah on 12/6/2024, 9:27:11, in reply to "Re: So"

                      Sky TV ? Don't talk to me about bloody Sky TV

                      When I were growing up we 'ad it hard. all we 'ad to watch were t'BBC and our dad would make us kids sit an' watch live test matches, match of the day with no Lineker or Shearer. motor racing, open golf and Henry bloody Cooper fighting Muhammed Ali. And then he'd dock us cost of bloody TV licence from us pocket money.

                      You tell that to't bloody younger generation an' tha' wouldnt bloody believe yer

                  Re: So

                  Posted by MG on 12/6/2024, 8:18:33, in reply to "So"

                  It likely will but longer term it could be fairly awful.

                  They have left such a mess behind that no-one next term is going to be able to make a huge difference.

                  What follows behind that could be something even worse.

                    Re: So

                    Posted by The Dutchman on 12/6/2024, 8:31:27, in reply to "Re: So"

                    A bit like 2010 then?

                      Re: So

                      Posted by MG on 12/6/2024, 8:46:19, in reply to "Re: So"

                      No, much worse, in almost every way.

                        Re: So

                        Posted by Remoaner on 12/6/2024, 8:33:49, in reply to "Re: So"

                        No, nothing like 2010. In 2010 we hadnít voted to impose economic sanctions upon ourselves.

                          Re: So

                          Posted by Hahaha!! on 12/6/2024, 8:36:28, in reply to "Re: So"

                          8 years of non stop crying 🤣🤣🤣

                            Re: So

                            Posted by Remoaner on 12/6/2024, 9:10:48, in reply to "Re: So"

                            Love tories

                              Re: So

                              Posted by Remoaners dad on 12/6/2024, 9:10:08, in reply to "Re: So"

                              Thatís why we despise you, you ugly freak

                                Re: So

                                Posted by Yep on 12/6/2024, 12:03:04, in reply to "Re: So"

                                Mental Mickie gets it wrong again.

                                Thick as F@@@.

                                Re: So

                                Posted by Genuine Question on 12/6/2024, 8:52:37, in reply to "Re: So"

                                I ask this not to antagonise or get into a daft argument or anything as I'm willing to hear the arguments on both sides of the EU debate. I'm not tribal on this issue but am genuinely interested

                                My question is, after 8 years (going on 4 since we properly left), can I ask what you - and others on the Exit side of the debate - think has actually improved in British life since the decision to leave?

                                Have there been tangible improvements for everyday folk (not the rich or the disaster capitalists working for banks)?

                                  Re: So

                                  Posted by jimmyp on 12/6/2024, 12:57:12, in reply to "Re: So"

                                  I don't get speeding fines, from France, sent to my home address in the UK.

                                  That's it. That's literally the only positive. And that's weighed against the fact that we can't issue fines against speeding visitors from the EU.

                                  Cheers, Jim

                                    Re: So

                                    Posted by Observer on 12/6/2024, 9:12:17, in reply to "Re: So"

                                    WE GOT ARE COUNTRY BACK

                                    etc etc

                                Re: So

                                Posted by Really? on 12/6/2024, 8:33:21, in reply to "Re: So"

                                You think the current mess is like 2010? Broke then, destitute and in deep debt now

                                  Re: So

                                  Posted by The Questioner on 12/6/2024, 8:49:54, in reply to "Re: So"

                                  2010 was way worse Ö we had just started to recover from the GFC. That was Labours fault though - unlike most on here who want to blame the Toryís for the war in Ukraine, the pandemic and now the rain in April. I really hope Starmer works out otherwise we are going to have some very unhappy bunnies.

                                    Re: So

                                    Posted by Observer on 12/6/2024, 9:14:38, in reply to "Re: So"

                                    Classic British management - the good things are down to us, the bad things are someone elseís fault.

                                    I bet you believed every word Paula Venells said at the PO enquiry

                                      Re: So

                                      Posted by Really? on 12/6/2024, 9:01:28, in reply to "Re: So"

                                      National Debt statistics, from the government:

                                      69.6% of GDP in March 2010

                                      98.3% of GDP in March 2024

                                      (Source: ONS)

                                      Those are the facts, not what you want the facts to be.

                                        Re: So

                                        Posted by The Questioner on 12/6/2024, 9:06:14, in reply to "Re: So"

                                        I have to go to a meeting but if you are basing your whole argument on gdp then you win.
                                        I know you know gdp is that bad because we have paid for a pandemic( to generously imo ).

                                          Re: So

                                          Posted by Really? on 12/6/2024, 9:20:51, in reply to "Re: So"

                                          It's not everything but a reliable indicator.


                                          Pre-pandemic (March 2019) it was already far worse than 2010 - 85.4% of GDP compared to 69.6%

                                            Re: So

                                            Posted by Observer on 12/6/2024, 9:15:23, in reply to "Re: So"

                                            Use statistics and evidence to back up your argument.

                                            Just not those ones, please.

                                          Re: So

                                          Posted by Spud on 12/6/2024, 8:58:49, in reply to "Re: So"

                                          In 2010 the country was still recognisable. It's now a disintegrated mess by any measure that really counts to most of the population.

                                            Re: So

                                            Posted by Genuine Question on 12/6/2024, 8:55:26, in reply to "Re: So"

                                            we had just started to recover from the GFC. That was Labours fault though...

                                            The global financial crash was Labour's fault? Or the fact we were recovering from it was Labour's 'fault'?

                                              Re: So

                                              Posted by The Questioner on 12/6/2024, 9:08:03, in reply to "Re: So"

                                              Sorry typo Öwasnít labours fault.

                                                Re: So

                                                Posted by Just saying on 12/6/2024, 9:05:09, in reply to "Re: So"

                                                The same way the pandemic and Ukraine war are the stories fault

                                        Re: So

                                        Posted by Office of statistics on 12/6/2024, 8:14:32, in reply to "So"

                                        "No importance can be put on one month's figures, over the last 3 months the economy has improved by 0.7%".

                                          Re: So

                                          Posted by Dishisunak on 12/6/2024, 8:16:07, in reply to "Re: So"

                                          Whatís your usual posting nameÖÖ???

                                          We smell a rat.

                                            Re: So

                                            Posted by O on 12/6/2024, 8:16:51, in reply to "Re: So"

                                            What's yours?

                                          Re: So

                                          Posted by bore on 12/6/2024, 8:09:26, in reply to "So"

                                          Off.

                                            Re: So

                                            Posted by Oh FFS on 12/6/2024, 8:01:21, in reply to "So"

                                            'Epic'?

                                            Grow up.

                                              Re: So

                                              Posted by Dishisunak on 12/6/2024, 8:11:28, in reply to "Re: So"

                                              DD doesnít warrant any comment like that, ever.

                                              Outrageous response.

                                              Re: So

                                              Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 12/6/2024, 7:58:36, in reply to "So"

                                              Go Nige

                                                Re: So

                                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 12/6/2024, 10:21:30, in reply to "Re: So"

                                                You forgot "out of this country for good"

                                                Re: So

                                                Posted by Lol on 12/6/2024, 7:55:50, in reply to "So"


                                                "Things can only get better"

                                                Until Sir flip flop , flip flops alot !

                                                  Re: So

                                                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 12/6/2024, 10:22:27, in reply to "Re: So"

                                                  Wrong Labour leader.

                                                  Re: So

                                                  Posted by Bellend Spotter on 12/6/2024, 7:54:35, in reply to "So"

                                                  Yeah but he missed out of having Sky TV has a child. Poor lamb

                                                    Re: So

                                                    Posted by MG on 12/6/2024, 8:21:47, in reply to "Re: So"

                                                    It's crazy that he thinks saying that would help his cause.

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