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    Where's the money appeared from?

    Posted by Madpig on 28/5/2024, 9:04:53

    All the 'tough' decisions the Tories say they've had to make , and now we have £2.8bn conscription cost and £2.4bn cut in pensioners tax.
    Where did this money suddenly appear from?
    Wouldn't it be better in the NHS?

      Re: Where's the money appeared from?

      Posted by Bloke on 28/5/2024, 12:07:40, in reply to "Where's the money appeared from?"

      The NHS is the biggest waste of money in this country. Give them an extra £2Bn this year and they’ll be needed double that next year. Only to have it wasted on LGBT stuff or some study or another.

      It needs reforming and now.

        Re: Where's the money appeared from?

        Posted by SJF on 28/5/2024, 12:31:21, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

        The NHS has on average 21% less funding than the top 14 EU nations, this equates to a shortfall every year of £38 billion. If the Tories had funded it properly and stopped the private sector and agencies from exploiting it there wouldn't be year long waiting lists and a lack of doctors and nurses.

          Re: Where's the money appeared from?

          Posted by M.A.T. on 28/5/2024, 13:59:33, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

          True, but it does need reforming, it is top heavy on management and light where it matters, doctors and nurses.

        Re: Where's the money appeared from?

        Posted by NHS sh1t show on 28/5/2024, 11:17:53, in reply to "Where's the money appeared from?"

        The NHS is a disorganised shambles and a bottomless money pit. Their speciality is administering this obvious disaster.

          Re: Where's the money appeared from?

          Posted by Yes on 28/5/2024, 12:07:41, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

          Take my advice.

          Avoid the L and D if you get ill.

          Incompetent and could not care less springs to mind.

          Re: Where's the money appeared from?

          Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 28/5/2024, 10:56:03, in reply to "Where's the money appeared from?"

          Just listened to that Rachel Reeve, she confirmed that their campaign is just about slagging off the Tories, she evaded every question asking what they are going to do once in government.

          Re: Where's the money appeared from?

          Posted by Prague Hat on 28/5/2024, 10:34:39, in reply to "Where's the money appeared from?"

          According to Robert Peston, in an interview he did with a government minister who's name I have forgotten, the money for the national service idea is coming from the leveling up fund.

            Re: Where's the money appeared from?

            Posted by pingu on 28/5/2024, 10:30:37, in reply to "Where's the money appeared from?"

            youre fukked either way - suck it up.

              Re: Where's the money appeared from?

              Posted by Simples on 28/5/2024, 10:13:09, in reply to "Where's the money appeared from?"

              Borrowing.

              Just like for all the extra stuff that the other Uniparty has promised.

              Re: Where's the money appeared from?

              Posted by Farhat on 28/5/2024, 9:51:06, in reply to "Where's the money appeared from?"

              Has there always been the same amount of money in the UK?

                Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                Posted by Looney Left on 28/5/2024, 9:33:17, in reply to "Where's the money appeared from?"

                they are stealing from the Labour money tree.

                  Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                  Posted by Plastic paddy on 28/5/2024, 10:17:54, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                  The right wing Tories are the ones in charge of the Money Tree at the moment, so Labour are just using the money the Tories have already grown......clearly

                  Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                  Posted by MG on 28/5/2024, 9:25:27, in reply to "Where's the money appeared from?"

                  They will probably steal another policy from Labour like the windfall tax or taxing non-doms.

                  Though there would be far more to be made from even a very modest tax on the rich . . .

                  But neither they or Labour will apparently consider it . . .

                    Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                    Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 28/5/2024, 9:38:08, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                    Starmer will be ditching it anyway, just like every other policy he has ditched because the cost wasn't properly assessed.

                      Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                      Posted by MG on 28/5/2024, 10:13:04, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                      Show me the assessments for these latest Tory policies . . .

                        Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                        Posted by Madpig on 28/5/2024, 11:03:29, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                        From the IFS

                        https://ifs.org.uk/articles/new-triple-locked-personal-allowance-pensioners#:~:text=Now%20the%20Conservatives%20want%20not,planned%20tax%20rises%20for%20pensioners.

                          Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                          Posted by Madpig on 28/5/2024, 11:01:19, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                          The Tories estimate the scheme would cost £2.5bn - two fifths of which the party said it would raise by “cracking down on tax evasion and avoidance”.

                          The rest would come from money being diverted from the UK Shared Prosperity Fund, a pot of money which was set up to make up for financial support community organisations lost when the UK left the European Union.

                          Previously, this money has been billed as supporting the government's levelling up agenda.

                          Mr Cleverly told the BBC that funding was due to end but has been extended by three years, at which point it will be diverted to pay for national service.

                          He said the money would be spent around the country and the "levelling up impact ... will continue".

                            Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                            Posted by MG on 28/5/2024, 11:36:47, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                            So, they are funding it from something else that they now have to fund that they weren't going to?

                            Where I do agree with the IFS (as well as this) is that no-one is being honest with us. If we want things to improve then more tax money will need to be raised somehow. Whoever gets in.

                              Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                              Posted by Northants Hatter on 28/5/2024, 11:30:09, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                              Cleverly? If anyone has an ironic name, he does. They’ve had 14 years to “crack down on tax avoidance’ yet it seems they’ll only start if re-elected. Maybe get a few quid off of Michelle Mone or Dido Harding, they’ve got a few bob spare…

                                Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                Posted by MG on 28/5/2024, 11:33:24, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                Well given that they massively cut down on the teams in HMRC that were there to stop tax evasion . . .

                                This despite the fact that every £1 spent on such activities was generating £10 for the Treasury . . .

                                Odd decision.

                        Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                        Posted by Derby Hatter on 28/5/2024, 9:15:47, in reply to "Where's the money appeared from?"

                        A desperate ploy to win even more of the pensioners vote and try to snatch votes from reform by appealing to the hard right.
                        Desperation stinks.

                          Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                          Posted by Anti Cannon fodder on 28/5/2024, 9:21:29, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                          The Tories will offer ageing boomers literally anything EXCEPT a functioning NHS and properly funded social care, ie the things that actually keep them alive.

                          £2 a week more v a GP or Hospital appointment…..

                          Bearing in mind this is just a reversal of a previous Tory cut.



                            Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 28/5/2024, 10:30:52, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                            Please stop assuming that all pensioners are in receipt of loads of money.
                            They're not.

                              Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                              Posted by Really on 28/5/2024, 11:13:06, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                              I'm doing OK NaG. 10.1% increase last year plus 8.5% this year, two lot's of winter fuel allowance for me and her indoors, a slice of good fortune with a nice little earner from lotto hotpicks of £4,000, increases in payments from three private pensions, her indoors government pension, mortgage paid long ago, no rent to pay, savings at long last paying decent interest, life is good.

                                Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 28/5/2024, 13:39:58, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                s I said, not everyone has massive private pensions.
                                I guess you’re one of the “I’m all right, Jack” brigade.

                                  Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                  Posted by 30’s Germany on 28/5/2024, 19:41:24, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                  We had it so good.
                                  And, then, the you know who’s , created a war between Europe.
                                  The rest, as they say, is history.

                                    Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 28/5/2024, 20:11:54, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                    You are really scraping the barrel.
                                    30s Germany was only ok if you were a dyed-in-the-wool Fascist.
                                    And as you have been told repeatedly, this country's young men spent 6 years fighting (and many of them died) against the despicable creed.

                                    You are a disgrace.

                                    Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                    Posted by Well on 28/5/2024, 17:54:00, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                    I thought you was nearly a “genius”.

                                      Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 28/5/2024, 20:14:34, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                      You mean "I thought you were".
                                      What has my level of intelligence got to do with the fact that not all pensioners have massive pensions?

                                        Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                        Posted by No on 28/5/2024, 19:36:28, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                        She’s just a looney left, nut job.

                                          Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                          Posted by Nearly a Genius on 28/5/2024, 20:16:21, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                          No comma needed after "loony".

                                          And you have no idea how dimwitted you appear typing bigoted garbage like that.

                                      Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                      Posted by Spix Spotter on 28/5/2024, 12:04:56, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                      Oh dear. Actually, you can't even afford to go to football at Luton unless you can scrounge a freebie.

                                    Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                    Posted by Desperate Dan on 28/5/2024, 9:26:26, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                    Dont be fooled by the drop in inflation as well. 2.5% drop on top of a 20% rise is what they dont tell everyone.

                                      Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                      Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 28/5/2024, 9:40:16, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                      How so? There were enough banging on about inflation when it was rising.

                                        Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                        Posted by Lol on 28/5/2024, 10:49:34, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                        Let's add inflation figures to the long list of things you don't understand.

                                          Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                          Posted by Cotteridge Hatter on 28/5/2024, 10:13:26, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                          Er, it's still inflation, just the price rises aren't so steep, so everything still gets more expensive but from a starting point of where it was more costly already!

                                            Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                            Posted by MG on 28/5/2024, 10:12:32, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                            I think he means that the damage is already done.

                                            Inflation coming down is good news only in the sense that there isn't so much bad news still coming. The effect of it having happened in the first place remains.

                                              Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                              Posted by Roo on 28/5/2024, 11:08:15, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                              The Tory mindset:

                                              Inflation goes up - nothing to do with me Gov

                                              Inflation goes down - i am solely responsible for that

                                                Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                                Posted by Northants Hatter on 28/5/2024, 12:12:55, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                                Absolutely. The first question for Sunak whenever he says that his plan brought down inflation should be “So why did the Tory government put up so high then?”…

                                                  Re: Where's the money appeared from?

                                                  Posted by MG on 28/5/2024, 11:37:06, in reply to "Re: Where's the money appeared from?"

                                                  Ain't that the truth.

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