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    National Service? My 17yr old is Already In

    Posted by Todd1433 on 27/5/2024, 21:43:52

    My lad is just over halfway through basic training, and, said with everything crossed, is doing very well.

    He joined up at 16, has recently turned 17, and is headed to the Royal Engineers upon completion of basic. Soaking wet? Barely slept in days? Being pushed way beyond his comfort zone anyway? Just gets on with it. I’m a martial arts instructor, so I trained him prior to joining to get his fitness levels up- we had a saying, “Jesus hates a p*ssy”, which I’d remind him of when it was ridiculously early/pouring down etc., and this his now accompanied by another motto given to him by an ex- solider friend of mine- “it won’t make me pregnant”……He has said he tells himself these things when he’s feeling the pain during training!

    His Coy recently visited Normandy as part of training, essentially to drum home to these lads that this is not a game. He called home to tell us how chuffed he was that he’d been served his coffee and croissant in a local cafe by a now very elderly lady, who told him and his pals about how she was rescued as a 4yr old girl by British soldiers following D-Day.

    Though they are of course hard on them, him and his fellow recruits hold all of the training staff in very high regard- they are all veterans of multiple tours, and the raw lads have huge respect for that.

    The debate around national service is of course hugely varied. What I can say though, as a parent of a son in the Army, is the change in him already is stark (though he wasn’t a bad kid prior to joining up). He is a confident, impeccably polite young man, who is demonstrating an admirable ability to get on with whatever comes his way. He called home following a recent field exercise that went on for several days, pouring with rain the entire time. We asked how it was, his response?- “Just tell yourself you won’t be soaking wet and knackered forever, and get on with it”. We are immensely proud of him.

    Should NS be brought back? Not sure, it certainly isn’t for everyone, my lad’s intake has lost around one third of the original number. It would be the making of some kids though, of that I have no doubt.

      Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In

      Posted by pingu on 28/5/2024, 8:08:57, in reply to "National Service? My 17yr old is Already In"

      the youth of today arent worthy of lacing his boots mate. tell him to keep going and be proud of doing the right thing everyday. yeah itll be totally £hit some days and he will ask himself why the fukk hes doing it. there are still people in the uk that are proud to be british and will fight till the dying breath to maintain the security of our nation and world order.

      forza your lad
      forza all our brave boys and girls

        Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In

        Posted by Icancyu on 28/5/2024, 7:37:30, in reply to "National Service? My 17yr old is Already In"

        Your lad is joining the finest Corps in the Army. Good luck to him. UBIQUE.

          Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In

          Posted by Todd1433 on 28/5/2024, 10:41:06, in reply to "Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In"

          Thank you Gents.

          He does have down days every now and then, but the bond between the lads is already there- they get each other through it.

          My Grandad served with the RE during WWII, I think that swayed him in that direction to begin with, though now that he’s seen what he’ll be doing in more detail, he’s glad he went that way.

          He is absolutely committed to seeing it through, so I just spend my time hoping and praying he avoids any injury that may hold him back- that’s always at the back of their minds. Avoid that, and I’m confident he’ll be passing out later this summer.

          Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In

          Posted by sloopy on 27/5/2024, 22:08:18, in reply to "National Service? My 17yr old is Already In"

          It is indeed a very emotive subject. There is no doubt in my mind that there is a lack of discipline amongst youngsters in general which is much worse than when I was a young man, and the discipline they are taught in the services is certainly character building. For those not suited to it, however, can be character destroying. I believe the intention is not to just chuck these young people into the Army, Navy or Airforce, but to give them life long skills that are probably unavailable to them or that they have never considered. I believe the idea itself is not as bad as it might appear, but who knows how that could develop in the future. As I don't trust politicians of any side, I think it is a policy that I am not comfortable with. Good luck to your son, I hope it goes well for him, and you must be very proud of him

            Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In

            Posted by Todd1433 on 27/5/2024, 22:45:11, in reply to "Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In"

            It is certainly a subject that generates opinion!

            I entirely agree that for those not suited to it, it would be a tough experience. A recruit needs to dig deep, they are taken way beyond their normal comfort zones.

            Is there an argument that perhaps it could be offered to young people that are going down the wrong path? I don’t mean those accused of serious crime, more the young person that has been pulled in once too often for fighting etc., who are then given the choice- you take your chance in court and look at a likely custodial, or you join up? Could definitely be the making of a wayward youth who needs guidance.

            Thank you, we are extremely proud of him. Now he has been at it a while, his Mum has finally stopped crying when he heads off after leave! He is on leave right now, and just came down to thank me for his dinner, and asked if there was anything I needed him to do before he went to bed……Quite frankly I’d like to know who this young man is, and what he has done with my son!

              Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In

              Posted by Ratz Fetz on 27/5/2024, 22:32:43, in reply to "Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In"

              There is no doubt in my mind that there is a lack of discipline amongst youngsters in general which is much worse than when I was a young man...

              Based on what, exactly?

              If anything, i think the order generation are much less disciplined than the ones before them. No other generation has fucked it up quite so much for the youth as this one has.

              Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In

              Posted by Paddy on 27/5/2024, 21:57:16, in reply to "National Service? My 17yr old is Already In"

              Your son went in voluntarily and with a lot of motivation. It’s great he’s doing well and you are rightly proud. But it wouldn’t be that way for everyone, and if they are forced in, motivation will be very low indeed.

              Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In

              Posted by Anti Cannon fodder on 27/5/2024, 21:56:30, in reply to "National Service? My 17yr old is Already In"

              This is exactly why it needs to be done in the way you describe and increase investment to keep doing it the right way.

              Relying on volunteers to do it on the cheap is the Tory way and must be stopped.

                Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In

                Posted by Todd1433 on 27/5/2024, 22:22:42, in reply to "Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In"

                I don’t disagree with either comment above, it really is a wide ranging debate.

                You certainly need a specific mindset to get through it. There were some on my boy’s intake that had fallen by the wayside within the first week. Given the fact that the application process is painfully drawn out, I did wonder how some of these youngsters had reached the point of actually reporting for training without the faintest idea of what they were letting themselves in for.

                The medical screening element of the joining process is run by a private company, and can be extremely soul destroying. The slightest thing on an applicant’s record can mean weeks/months of referrals/uncertainty. Whilst I completely understand the need for medical screening given the rigours an applicant will endure upon joining, I did discuss the issue with the recruiters, wondering how many lose interest/heart and don’t continue with the process. The answer was quite a significant amount, particularly those that may not have a huge amount of parental support. If numbers are an issue, there is certainly an area to look at there.

                  Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In

                  Posted by Don Logan on 27/5/2024, 22:17:24, in reply to "Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In"

                  Whether you’re for against it, (my youngest will still be 18 if it’s bought in), the two things where it is flawed imho, is the cost, as in who is going to pay for it, and the fact that they can’t actually be forced to do it.

                    Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In

                    Posted by Anti Cannon fodder on 27/5/2024, 22:32:14, in reply to "Re: National Service? My 17yr old is Already In"

                    Plus the fact that once in you will mandated to “fight” in a war that is very likely nothing to do with us and we need to stay well out of.

                    When most of us were 18, at weekends we were playing senior football, cricket, watching Luton, drinking and the rest.

                    Oh and studying and working to pay for all the above.

                    No government told us to stop and do what we say to placate the Gammons.


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