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    This National Service thing

    Posted by K.l. on 27/5/2024, 12:50:01

    Great idea. It's what the country has been needing for sometime.
    Also I can see it being a big vote winner with the older voters. Its going to turn the voting tide as the young don't vote.

      Re: This National Service thing

      Posted by Nick NBH on 27/5/2024, 20:01:14, in reply to "This National Service thing"

      I can see elements of it that woudl make some sense to some in some alternative universe.

      So if we assume all teenagers are basically walking Asbos , if we assume that this country has given nothing to our young people, then yes there is an element of sense. And its not all armed forces. That is however quite an assumption.

      Its a rather odd out of the blue election statement as it stands. Its like a rather odd civil service cutting floor idea that got picked up as a case of "oh why don`t we do this?". Its like a "fuckit we have nothing to lose so lets throw this in" idea . Its like a "lets find something even more utterly fucking bonkers than brexit as that worked as a vote winner last time " idea

        Re: This National Service thing

        Posted by Paddy on 27/5/2024, 16:34:40, in reply to "This National Service thing"

        I actually did do the whole army thing, but the point is I volunteered for it. I now have young kids and if they grow up and want go in the forces, then fine - it's not what I would prefer for them but that would be their decision. But the idea of them being *forced* into it makes my blood run cold.

        Don't give me that old mother Hubbard about them being able to do the year of volunteering for a weekend a month instead. If it's mandatory, it's not fucking volunteering. If the kids want to do something good for their community, great - but again, you'd be forcing them into it. The large majority of them would just resent it.

        The proponents of this utterly barmy idea point to other countries such as Sweden and Norway where they have national service. The difference is that those countries have not spent the last couple of decades profoundly letting their youth down and cutting services left and right. We have given today's youth diddly squat. What exactly are we asking them to pay us back for?

        Don't even get me started on the idiocy of opening public-sector jobs only to those who do national service, as has been proposed. We have a hard enough time recruiting for those jobs in the first place. And what about foreigners who get jobs in the public sector? Presumably the requirement wouldn't apply to them, so wouldn't you end up discriminating against your own citizens in public-sector recruitment?

        They say this would cost about £2.5bn a year. In fact it would be much, much more. But let's be generous and pretend the £2.5bn-a-year figure is accurate. That would still be more than the extra money for the doctors that the Tories say is unaffordable.

        Fortunately it's all academic anyway, as the Tories are set for an electoral defeat so nuclear it will be visible from Saturn.

        Peace out

          Re: This National Service thing

          Posted by Madpig on 27/5/2024, 19:38:46, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

          Paddy
          👏👏👏👏👏
          Post of the year. Bravo.
          As an aside, would Sunak have mooted this policy had he been 20 points in front in the polls?

            Re: This National Service thing

            Posted by Anti Cannon fodder on 27/5/2024, 19:58:11, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

            What he thinks he is doing is changing the narrative away from 14 years of failure and corruption.

            Hoping that people forget the long waits for NHS appointments.

            If I was a Labour strategist I would go heavy on this angle from tomorrow.

            @MVTFWD


              Re: This National Service thing

              Posted by Paddy on 27/5/2024, 19:52:18, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

              No. It is a desperate bid to throw red meat to Reform defectors and try to reduce the scale of the Tory defeat. I don’t think it will work.

                Re: This National Service thing

                Posted by Madpig on 27/5/2024, 19:59:05, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                Yep, play to their basest instincts.

              Post of the day

              Posted by Anti Cannon fodder on 27/5/2024, 18:33:31, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

              Fantastic post. “Blood goes cold”.

              Quite.

              But Paddy please don’t think this won’t happen because Labour will win.

              It will only happen if everyone who wants the Tories out works together and votes tactically in EVERY seat.

              Complacency is still a factor.

                Re: Post of the day

                Posted by Paddy on 27/5/2024, 18:46:31, in reply to "Post of the day "

                Correct. No complacency. Let's get these charlatans out.

            Re: This National Service thing

            Posted by Madpig on 27/5/2024, 16:21:58, in reply to "This National Service thing"

            Erm...18 year old vote now, 21 ended in the early 70's.
            Good gimmick though, much like the Rwanda planes

              Re: This National Service thing

              Posted by EastEnder on 27/5/2024, 14:39:17, in reply to "This National Service thing"

              Why don't all thr people who are about to reach retirement age and are voting for National Service spend a year doing it themselves?

              They have a lot of spare time on their hands and most are a lot better-off than the average 18 year old.

                Re: This National Service thing

                Posted by Herts Hatter on 27/5/2024, 14:17:24, in reply to "This National Service thing"

                I am no Tory at all - in fact I hate them..however the reaction on here is interesting - the types of idiotic block heads who will support England at football in the Summer think it is unthinkable that young people should do some kind of public service for a year? Absolute Peasants who cannot link 2 coherent thoughts together. If you want your football team to win then maybe your "patriotism" should extent to something a bit more meaningful?

                  Re: This National Service thing

                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 27/5/2024, 15:07:24, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                  The armed services are not keen on having non-volunteers joining them.

                  Why should a bright, intelligent person with the necessary grades have to put off going to university?

                    Re: This National Service thing

                    Posted by Plan on 27/5/2024, 17:35:16, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                    Get the pretend seekers to do it.
                    Straight to the Russian front.👍😁

                    Re: This National Service thing

                    Posted by EastEnder on 27/5/2024, 15:14:50, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                    They don't there's only 39k military national service places. The others have to do voluntary work one weekend a month for a year.

                      Re: This National Service thing

                      Posted by Madpig on 27/5/2024, 17:12:08, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                      And if they're at Uni working weekends to try and keep their heads above water? National Service is a great idea when you're worth £650m

                        Re: This National Service thing

                        Posted by EastEnder on 27/5/2024, 17:34:54, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                        Precisely.

                        They are also saying if you are on a gap year abroad, you have to do NS whilst traveling.

                        So you can do British National Service in a foreign country.

                        Also have to do it if you are an 18 year old unpaid carer. So basically have to do unpaid voluntary work on top of the unpaid voluntary work that you are already doing.

                          Re: This National Service thing

                          Posted by Madpig on 27/5/2024, 17:48:23, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                          Neat gimmick, superb diversion. It'll be seen through.
                          It's not ' national service' it's pandering to ancient fascists that still have enough bodily function to reach the polling booth.
                          It's gonna cost £2.8bn per year ( Tory figures, not mine), so considering this country hasn't got a pot to piss in at present, and we're spending half a billion a year financing Rwanda ( another brainwave) where's it coming from? More tax, or maybe the NHS?

                            Re: This National Service thing

                            Posted by EastEnder on 27/5/2024, 18:21:45, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                            Even those figures don't take into account we would have to build barracks to house an extra 30k military personnel each year.

                            And the cost of vetting all the applicants to make sure they are not potential terrorists.

                            Officers will also have to supervise another 30,000 staff each year.Taking them off existing duties.


                    Re: This National Service thing

                    Posted by EastEnder on 27/5/2024, 14:32:34, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                    Where will these 30,000 military recruits for National Service each year be housed and how long will it take all the applicants for the 30,000 places to make sure that none of them are potential terrorists?

                  Re: This National Service thing

                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 27/5/2024, 14:03:10, in reply to "This National Service thing"

                  Why would you think all "older voters" would be in favour?
                  That's as daft as thinking all 17/25-year-olds are feral thugs and gang members.

                    Re: This National Service thing

                    Posted by Plasticpaddy on 27/5/2024, 13:25:58, in reply to "This National Service thing"

                    Or it could spur them into voting as they don’t want to be part of a gammon winning gimmick

                      Re: This National Service thing

                      Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 27/5/2024, 13:36:47, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                      Well snowflakes like you have lapped up Starmer's gimmicks

                    Re: This National Service thing

                    Posted by Yup on 27/5/2024, 13:18:29, in reply to "This National Service thing"

                    Most of the big European countries do it seems to work ok.
                    Glad it’s back being talked about, unlikely to ever happen though.

                      Re: This National Service thing

                      Posted by EastEnder on 27/5/2024, 14:35:52, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                      Yep. Most of the big European countries - aside from Spain, Germany and Italy.

                      So actually, not most of the big European countries.

                        Re: This National Service thing

                        Posted by Anti Cannon fodder on 27/5/2024, 13:22:42, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                        So you are happy to send your kids to a war we have nothing to do with?

                        Why not invest in the army and pay soldiers a proper wage rather than use compulsory “volunteers”.

                        All run by Capita and Infosys of course.

                          Re: This National Service thing

                          Posted by Yup on 27/5/2024, 13:25:03, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                          Wouldn’t say happy, but it’s happened a few times in the past.
                          We may need to send them to war one day, a bit of basic training wouldn’t hurt

                            Re: This National Service thing

                            Posted by Anti Cannon fodder on 27/5/2024, 13:48:18, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                            Did you do NS?

                            If not what were you doing when you were 18?

                              Re: This National Service thing

                              Posted by Yup on 27/5/2024, 16:37:34, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                              No on this Piss mainly.

                                Re: This National Service thing

                                Posted by Anti Cannon fodder on 27/5/2024, 18:34:29, in reply to "Re: This National Service thing"

                                But you are happy for the Youths to be sent now?????

                        Re: This National Service thing

                        Posted by K on 27/5/2024, 13:12:48, in reply to "This National Service thing"

                        Yep.
                        So long as they force the immigrants to do it aswell.

                          Re: This National Service thing

                          Posted by RickyH on 27/5/2024, 13:11:16, in reply to "This National Service thing"

                          It's a gimmick

                            Re: This National Service thing

                            Posted by Talking Horse on 27/5/2024, 13:08:03, in reply to "This National Service thing"

                            How’s it gonna work among catholic communities in Northern Ireland?

                              Re: This National Service thing

                              Posted by Anti Cannon fodder on 27/5/2024, 13:07:51, in reply to "This National Service thing"

                              Grow up James.

                                Re: This National Service thing

                                Posted by Ratz Fetz on 27/5/2024, 12:58:06, in reply to "This National Service thing"

                                Ok. Then apply it retrospectively. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea can also do some volunteering every weekend for a year. Or join the military themselves.

                                Re: This National Service thing

                                Posted by Franz on 27/5/2024, 12:56:26, in reply to "This National Service thing"

                                Even by current standards that is some shit trolling.

                                  Re: This National Service thing

                                  Posted by J in C on 27/5/2024, 12:53:54, in reply to "This National Service thing"

                                  Don't be silly

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