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    Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

    Posted by joey diconio on 23/5/2024, 20:19:46

    Aston Villa to complete signing of Ross Barkley for pittance, 3 year deal

      What if

      Posted by Farhat on 24/5/2024, 8:48:32, in reply to "Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

      as part of the deal we get first pick of Villa players available for loan?

        Re: What if

        Posted by joey diconio on 24/5/2024, 11:08:00, in reply to "What if"

        then £2m quid for a £20m player is still a pittance.

        There is no doubt that getting him for nothing was great business by RE, and no doubt RB would have needed GET ME OUT OF HERE clauses to sign.

        It doesn't make £2m for one of the best performing midfielders not a pittance.

          Re: What if

          Posted by The Outsider on 24/5/2024, 11:11:58, in reply to "Re: What if"

          I don't know the figure but the only evidence for £2 million seems to be a tweet from a Super Soaraway reporter. Would you believe a post on here from a Villa fan with connections to the Super Soaraway?

            Re: What if

            Posted by joey diconio on 24/5/2024, 11:50:39, in reply to "Re: What if"

            yes, yes I would

              Re: What if

              Posted by Farhat on 24/5/2024, 11:26:45, in reply to "Re: What if"

              Chuckles in Carlisle!

                Re: What if

                Posted by jimmyp on 24/5/2024, 11:34:06, in reply to "Re: What if"

                Sniggers in Highwoods.

                Cheers, Jim

            Re: What if

            Posted by Doctor Ince on 24/5/2024, 9:42:07, in reply to "What if"

            Yes I've heard either OK, which seems a bit pointless given our strength in that position, or TI.

              Re: What if

              Posted by Shandy King on 24/5/2024, 10:31:58, in reply to "Re: What if"

              Stop pretending you know anything mate. Not a good look.

                Re: What if

                Posted by Doctor Ince on 24/5/2024, 10:44:33, in reply to "Re: What if"

                Just saying what I've heard...which is the point of the message board after all

            Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

            Posted by Sandgrounder on 23/5/2024, 21:35:18, in reply to "Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

            https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/msg/1716235726.html

              Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

              Posted by joey diconio on 23/5/2024, 22:35:23, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

              Impossible

                Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                Posted by jimmyp on 23/5/2024, 22:46:41, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                And yet, people are talking about a free, £2m, £5m, etc as if fact.

                Almost like it works a bit.

                Cheers, Jim

                  Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                  Posted by joey diconio on 23/5/2024, 22:58:44, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                  Yes it just proves that the fans are not informed and the secret squirrel 🐿️ approach makes no difference to the outcome.

                    Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                    Posted by Number 9 on 24/5/2024, 7:38:39, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                    Actually, the fact that nobody at all will be right on this issue proves that keeping fees and salaries confidential works.

                      Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                      Posted by bbb on 24/5/2024, 10:27:39, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                      Works? In what way? what does it achieve?

                        Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                        Posted by jimmyp on 24/5/2024, 11:06:50, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                        It means that if someone wants to know, they have to ask.

                        If he doesn't want them to know, he doesn't tell them.

                        If he does, he does.

                        Which is different to everyone knowing everything. I'm not one of those who has a little tantrum if they don't and I'll never understand those who do. Perhaps someone would be good enough to explain it.

                        Cheers, Jim

                          Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                          Posted by bbb on 24/5/2024, 12:10:42, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                          Anyone in football that wants to know will know.
                          Just the mushrooms that are the supporters that don't.

                          In my opinion.

                            Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                            Posted by jimmyp on 24/5/2024, 14:56:22, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                            Again, only really if RB/his agent wants them to know.

                            'mushrooms' is a bit drama queen. How does it actually make a difference to your life? I'm OK with accepting that we had him on the best contract, for us, that we could. I'd assumed that he'd have a relegation release clause. If we get a fee that at least covers the wages we paid him, fine. If it's more, great.

                            Cheers, Jim

                            Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                            Posted by joey diconio on 24/5/2024, 11:13:54, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                            No one is asking to "know everything" the point is there is no value in keeping, as an example, the contract length of Teden Mengi secret

                            Which is more likely;

                            A)
                            Fulham Director "How long is Teden's contract at Luton for"

                            Agent "Monster Monster it's a secret sorry"

                            B)
                            Fulham Director "How long is Teden's contract at Luton for"

                            Agent "Monster Monster his contract is til June 26, with a 1 year option, he's on £15k a week and there's a release clause of £12m Monster Monster"

                              Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                              Posted by Just an observation on 24/5/2024, 11:34:29, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                              I agree with you on this one and I fail to see how anyone can try to argue to the contrary.

                                Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                Posted by jimmyp on 24/5/2024, 11:33:03, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                I'm sorry, was what I said not clear in some way?

                                Cheers, Jim

                                  Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                  Posted by Doctor Ince on 24/5/2024, 14:02:01, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                  The point is the Fulham director probably doesn't even have to ask. If Mengi wants to leave then his agent will go to Fulham or whoever and say Mengi would be interested, he's got 2 years left and Luton would want £5m

                                    Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                    Posted by jimmyp on 24/5/2024, 14:28:45, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                    Well, we're talking about RB but that's different from what, how?

                                    Cheers, Jim

                                      Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                      Posted by Doctor Ince on 24/5/2024, 14:43:08, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                      Mengi, Barkley same difference

                                      Well it's no different to announcing the contract length really.

                                      Also I would imagine there's a player database that recruitment teams have access to that contains basic player wage and contract length etc.

                                      There's definitely a few that have stats

                                        Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                        Posted by jimmyp on 24/5/2024, 14:50:53, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                        Yeah, that information probably just magically jumps into such a database.

                                        Cheers, Jim

                                          Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                          Posted by Doctor Ince on 24/5/2024, 15:30:33, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                          Now you're just being obtuse.

                                            Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                            Posted by jimmyp on 24/5/2024, 20:25:00, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                            Someone is. A few, actually.

                                            The point is that the information needs to be requested and also freely given. If it doesn't suit then it isn't and nobody knows. Its really very simple. I'm not surprised that so many are struggling with the concept but I'll never actually understand why.

                                            Cheers, Jim

                                    Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                    Posted by Just an observation on 24/5/2024, 11:35:58, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                    Must have been a"little" unclear

                                      Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                      Posted by jimmyp on 24/5/2024, 11:37:27, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                      I believe that you probably had some difficulty understanding it. That's entirely plausible.

                                      Cheers, Jim

                                        Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                        Posted by Just an observation on 24/5/2024, 11:39:42, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                        I had absolutely no problem understanding it, however your logic is entirely flawed. 1-0 to Joey

                                          Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                          Posted by jimmyp on 24/5/2024, 12:18:20, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                          Given that joey's post was entirely predicated on the concept of 'asking' which, as per my point is preferable to not having to, I don't reckon.

                                          But, as I also say, entirely plausible that you would fail to understand something so simple.

                                          Cheers, Jim

                                            Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                            Posted by Just an observation on 24/5/2024, 12:24:19, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                            However, Joey's point was that "hiding" the contract length and release clauses only impacts the fans and NOT any club interested in said player. So, exactly what purpose does it really serve. Pray tell, oh wise one

                                              Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                              Posted by jimmyp on 24/5/2024, 13:07:19, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                              Er, they have to go out of their way to find out and can only do so if RB/his agent want them to know.

                                              Feel like I have said that a couple of times but I have no difficulty believing that you're struggling.

                                              Cheers, Jim

                                                Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                                Posted by Just an observation on 24/5/2024, 13:40:58, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                                Quite clearly RB and his agent are very keen to provide this information so hardly an onerous task for either party. Still 1-0 to Joey. Do try harder

                                                  Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                                  Posted by jimmyp on 24/5/2024, 13:42:40, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                                  "Quite clearly", evidenced by?

                                                  Cheers, Jim

                              Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                              Posted by joey diconio on 24/5/2024, 10:00:40, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                              This is absurd

                              The point is that Villa knew what his release clauses were, as either he or most likely his agent would have told them and numerous other suitors.

                              I'm not saying and have never said that the customers need to know release clauses, salaries etc, but to keep contract lengths secret is and will always be pathetic.

                              Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                              Posted by Doctor Ince on 24/5/2024, 9:39:40, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                              By nobody at all you mean us fans?

                              Guarantee Villa will be right

                                Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                Posted by Shandy King on 24/5/2024, 9:44:35, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                I've seen around 20 different guesses on the fee from free to £10m. Someone's bound to be right or close but you'll be the one claiming the "victory" no doubt.

                                  Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                  Posted by Doctor Ince on 24/5/2024, 9:58:40, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                  What 'victory' would I be claiming?

                              Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                              Posted by MG on 24/5/2024, 0:15:58, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                              It doesn't prove anything vaguely like that.

                              And hell's teeth, if someone had said we could negotiate a deal to get Ross Barkley playing for us for a year and it wouldn't cost us more than a pittance we'd have said they were being more than optimistic.

                        Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                        Posted by Well on 23/5/2024, 20:23:21, in reply to "Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                        £2m appears to the strongly rumoured price.
                        Yeah but Gary always sorts out good deals, blah, blah, blah.
                        Villa have got a bargain.

                          Something nobody seems to have realised -

                          Posted by Holy Bob on 23/5/2024, 20:37:15, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                          and something else to ponder. Even we HAD stayed up he’d still be moving on. And at the same price we’ll likely get for him now.

                            Re: Something nobody seems to have realised -

                            Posted by joey diconio on 23/5/2024, 20:42:37, in reply to "Something nobody seems to have realised -"

                            I can’t imagine that his release clauses would have been the same if we’d have stayed up.

                              Re: Something nobody seems to have realised -

                              Posted by Kitman on 24/5/2024, 7:42:42, in reply to "Re: Something nobody seems to have realised -"

                              For you imagine any of the deals we do you'd have to have the commercial brains of the one who strikes the deals. Unfortunately...

                                Re: Something nobody seems to have realised -

                                Posted by joey diconio on 24/5/2024, 11:04:21, in reply to "Re: Something nobody seems to have realised -"

                                can't all be geniuses that strike commercial deals with companies who can't pay or companies that can't supply replica kit on a timely basis

                                Re: Something nobody seems to have realised -

                                Posted by The Questioner on 23/5/2024, 23:24:26, in reply to "Re: Something nobody seems to have realised -"

                                Apparently £5m release clause if he wanted to go if we had stayed up.
                                I had understood that he can leave on a free so assume if Villa are offering money it’s to make sure the deal is done with them.

                              Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                              Posted by jimmyp on 23/5/2024, 20:26:20, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                              Signing RB on a free and then getting anything for him after we're relegated IS a good deal, you colossal hampton.

                              Cheers, Jim

                                Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                Posted by Doctor Ince on 23/5/2024, 21:09:57, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                Yep agree.

                                By agreeing to let him go for a fee that covers our costs we signed a player of the quality we wouldn't have been able to get without relegation clauses.

                                He could've signed a one year deal and left for fuck all

                                  Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                  Posted by Number 9 on 23/5/2024, 21:42:09, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                  He isn't going to go for free ffs

                                    Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                    Posted by Doctor Ince on 23/5/2024, 23:28:47, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                    I didn't say he is?

                                      Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                      Posted by Well on 23/5/2024, 21:42:52, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                      He basically has.

                                        Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                        Posted by Number 9 on 23/5/2024, 21:46:45, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                        Firstly he hasn't gone anywhere yet
                                        Secondly when he does he won't go for nothing or anywhere near nothing
                                        Thirdly you should probably avoid all social media account

                                          Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                          Posted by Well on 23/5/2024, 21:59:50, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                          Congratulations, you can count to 3, that a new PB?
                                          He's basically gone on a free, as we've made no money on him.

                                            Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                            Posted by The Outsider on 23/5/2024, 22:04:07, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                            Source?

                                            Even if he had gone for free, I doubt that we would have finished 18th without him so he has probably generated at least an extra £3.2 million for us.

                                            Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                            Posted by Number 9 on 23/5/2024, 22:03:41, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                            I'll bet you any money you like joey gone for a decent fee

                                              Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                              Posted by joey diconio on 23/5/2024, 22:37:29, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                              If we can agree anything under £15m is a pittance

                                                Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                                Posted by Well on 23/5/2024, 22:07:13, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                                What do you call a decent fee?
                                                I wouldn't call £2m a decent fee.

                                                  Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                                  Posted by Number 9 on 23/5/2024, 22:43:17, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                                  Sure. More than that. Bet?
                                                  All you need to do is reveal your usual posting name and we're on.

                                                    Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                                    Posted by Doctor Ince on 23/5/2024, 23:30:18, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                                    Usual posting name says number 9, who posted for the first time under that name today

                                                      Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                                      Posted by The Outsider on 23/5/2024, 23:37:32, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                                      That posting name has been around for quite some time. Certainly not new today.

                                                      Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                                      Posted by Well on 23/5/2024, 22:46:21, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                                      I suppose this is where you tell us all that you only use the 1 posting name is it?!🤣🤣

                                                      I don't gamble. Gary said its wrong.
                                                      When it is shown to be a £2m fee, I look forward to your apology.

                                                        Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                                        Posted by jimmyp on 23/5/2024, 22:48:05, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                                        But it won't be, safe bet.

                                                        Cheers, Jim

                                                          Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                                          Posted by Well on 23/5/2024, 22:49:31, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                                          Awaits the first undisclosed of the summer.....

                                                            Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                                            Posted by Hmm on 23/5/2024, 23:01:25, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                                            And you complain about political posts ruining this board as opposed to your stupid and endless petty argument picking?

                                                              Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                                              Posted by Number 9 on 23/5/2024, 22:58:04, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                                              So what if it's over £2m? Will you be happy the club did a good deal or gutted that you were wrong?

                                                        Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                                        Posted by Ffs on 23/5/2024, 22:16:43, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                                        Are you really that bored?

                                            Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                            Posted by Nick NBH on 23/5/2024, 20:39:58, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                            If that rumour is true (fuck knows why anyone would bother leaking that) then we go a player for free, with free wages, who probably ensured we got a couple of extra million for finishing places

                                              Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball

                                              Posted by Lee Henfield on 23/5/2024, 20:33:20, in reply to "Re: Unai Emery’s Crystal Ball"

                                              Colossal Hampton 🤣

                                              Love it!

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