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    Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

    Posted by Sandgrounder on 20/5/2024, 11:21:56

    Since this game is the one where Edwards and the players said they made a conscious decision to change their approach to be more attacking, front footed, braver (call it what you will), how does our record compare?

    Before Arsenal (H) - average goals for: 0.9, average goals against 1.9, GD -1, points 0.6

    From Arsenal onwards - average goals for: 1.6, average goals against 2.5, GD -0.9, points 0.7

    So while the goals for and against obviously changed quite a bit, the GD and points gained didn’t really alter (though both were slightly better with the new approach). You might say “well couldn’t we have attacked a bit more but also been a bit more solid” and yes that would obviously have been ideal, especially at certain times in certain games but ultimately we didn’t have players of a high enough quality (either at the club or available for selection) to achieve that balance. The fact that 2 very different approaches brought a very similar end result says that ultimately we just weren’t good enough. And there’s no shame in that.

    Also we had the third deepest defence in the league across the whole season which doesn’t exactly suggest we were playing a really high line.

      Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

      Posted by The Questioner on 20/5/2024, 14:45:49, in reply to "Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

      Imo you aren’t comparing apples with apples as we had horrendous injuries for a large part of the more attacking style.
      Not great comparisons as home and away but compare our performances against Chelsea ( who were shit at the start of the season ) …lost both but how unlucky were we to lose to them at home …last 20 mins looked like we were going to score every time we attacked….I know which two games I preferred to watch.
      I know plaudits count for nothing but we are getting decent recognition because of our style of play.

        Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

        Posted by Sandgrounder on 20/5/2024, 16:21:47, in reply to "Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

        Hence my comment ‘at the club or available for selection’. Have responded to Outsider below looking at the 13 games from Arsenal at home to Palace away when injuries really started to bite. Replicate those 13 games over the season and we would have stayed up.

        Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

        Posted by StanBaker on 20/5/2024, 13:06:21, in reply to "Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

        We ended yesterday with Johnson/Osho/Hashi at the back, none of who would be first choice in the Championship next season from the current squad IMO.
        Add that to the loss of Marv. at DM (who did struggle at times also) meaning Barkley played deeper, and there's the hole teams exploited.

          Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

          Posted by Stato on 20/5/2024, 12:20:15, in reply to "Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

          Deep defensive line = big hole in front of it.

            Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

            Posted by m on 20/5/2024, 11:54:26, in reply to "Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

            For me. It’s the nature of a lot of the goals we’ve let in. I can’t recall too many where you have to stand back and say ‘well that was Premier League quality ‘ ?

              Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

              Posted by Newton on 20/5/2024, 12:19:55, in reply to "Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

              Not sure that's fair. The number of times we've been playing perfectly well enough and then a team scores a goal that simply wouldn't happen in the Championship, whether that's simply the quality of the shot (e.g. Brentford (H)) or speed of thought (Arsenal (H)).

                Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

                Posted by Sandgrounder on 20/5/2024, 12:21:55, in reply to "Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

                2 of the 4 goals yesterday (maybe even 3) don’t get scored on a majority of occasions in the championship

                  Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

                  Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/5/2024, 13:41:44, in reply to "Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

                  I thought their 3rd or 4th where they play a couple of one twos with some nice control and flicks down the line to get out, before working it to Wilson who slotted top left was absolute quality.

              Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

              Posted by The Outsider on 20/5/2024, 11:54:17, in reply to "Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

              What was the outcome of the change of approach during the period up to when we had a lot of injuries. I haven't worked it out but significantly better than either of the above, I suspect.

              I still think that we would have stayed up without the horrendous injury list. This restricted the options on the bench which was a lot of the reason why we dropped a lot of points late in games - the players ran out of steam.

                Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

                Posted by Newton on 20/5/2024, 12:21:12, in reply to "Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

                Agree with this. One of the regrets of the season is that we had very little time with all of Barkley, Lokonga and Nakamba fit. Would have made a massive difference - e.g. there's no way we lose from 3-0 up v Bournemouth if we could bring on Marvelous to freshen up the midfield.

                  Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

                  Posted by Sandgrounder on 20/5/2024, 12:09:44, in reply to "Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

                  Yeah, hence ‘players available for selection’. If you take the 13 games from Arsenal at home to Palace away (after which we started to get very makeshift defensively in addition to losing Adebayo and Sambi a few games before) the record is:

                  Average goals for: 1.9
                  Average goals against: 2.2
                  GD: -0.3
                  Points: 0.9

                  Points over the season would have been just over 34, so just enough to survive

                  Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

                  Posted by Well on 20/5/2024, 11:31:49, in reply to "Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

                  It always was an enormous task but the points deductions gave us hope.

                  Great chance to bounce back as we spent little.

                  The Hashi signing is my only gripe. What on earth anyone seen in him is beyond me.

                    Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

                    Posted by MG on 20/5/2024, 11:34:24, in reply to "Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

                    Give the guy a chance, he hasn't been impressive but we've seen how some players have come on strong under this management and coaching regime.

                      Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

                      Posted by Orange Bandana on 20/5/2024, 12:16:27, in reply to "Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

                      Hashi is fucking shit....waste of money and as for yesterday, how he didn't score was beyond me.

                        Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

                        Posted by Why do... on 20/5/2024, 15:23:12, in reply to "Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

                        ...some just have to be such negative cu.nts?
                        Hammering a guy wo is clearly trying too hard in a world where he was brought in for the longer term and thrown in at the deep end. Why not just kill him before he's had a proper chance FFS.

                        As our recruitment team have proved themselves so well over recent years you would've thought it was obvious he's going to need some time.

                          Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

                          Posted by Ches Fordroad on 20/5/2024, 13:17:23, in reply to "Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

                          So I keep reading.

                          Mostly from people * who say fuck all about anything else.


                          * an individual who says

                            Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

                            Posted by MG on 20/5/2024, 12:40:18, in reply to "Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

                            People need to get over that.

                            It was a much harder chance than Adebayo missed earlier in the season . . .

                            Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

                            Posted by The Dutchman on 20/5/2024, 11:49:21, in reply to "Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

                            He doesn't even look like a footballer.

                              Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)

                              Posted by Snapper on 20/5/2024, 15:11:30, in reply to "Re: Record pre and post Arsenal (H)"

                              As said earlier i think Marvellous has been a huge loss, would’ve like to see us play with a back four and marvellous infront of them letting Barkley and Lakonga attack. So many goals could’ve been prevented with a fit back line and a holding midfielder. Anyway here’s to the championship, it will be like signing new players when we get Bell,Brown,Mads, Marvellous back and I’m excited about what young Taylor can do

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