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    Power Court - build starting within 12 months

    Posted by Sandgrounder on 7/5/2024, 21:53:32

    Taken from WALT - Gary Sweet quote / summary of what he said (from presentation evening?)

    Work hasn’t started to remove old substation. New sub station being built off site. Plan right now is that this summer we put in a new hybrid application and start building within 12 months from now.

    What is a hybrid application?

      Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

      Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 7:04:36, in reply to "Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

      From last night in summary

      LTFC have paid for new substation to be built, which is almost done. UK Power haven't started any work to move to it yet.

      He also said we're not committed to any timelines and don't have a contractor yet.

      Every update he gives is less and less hopeful. In any other non public sector business he'd be under massive scrutiny from shareholders and board.

        Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

        Posted by Ches Fordroad on 8/5/2024, 8:15:07, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

        Yeah you're right.

        Clearly paying for the moving of the substation was done just for a bit of a laugh.

          Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

          Posted by Garstang Hatter on 8/5/2024, 8:11:58, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

          "Every update he gives is less and less hopeful."

          So why would we be paying for the new substation then? To me, that shows some certainty that this is going ahead. It seems to me that (as has been the case for some time now) UK Power are the main source of the delay. If they haven't started any work to move yet then perhaps they don't have a timeline yet, and that means we can't finalise our own timeline. But we need their cooperation, so GS can hardly come out and say that it is all their fault, at this stage.

            Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

            Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 8:19:28, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

            Why would we agree to pay for the new substation without a guarantee from British Power around timelines?

              Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

              Posted by Yep on 8/5/2024, 8:18:27, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

              So why doesn't he give a detailed statement saying as much then?
              Instead he just throws the odd crumb of information and in doing so just fuels any doubts people have.

                Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                Posted by Garstang Hatter on 8/5/2024, 8:22:12, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                See my last sentence... Throwing them under the bus isn't exactly going to make them more cooperative, is it? Relationships with other parties are important to maintain.

                  Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                  Posted by Yep on 8/5/2024, 8:39:16, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                  Why would anyone have to be thrown under a bus? Surely they've built up a decent working relationship, let's be honest, they've had long enough to do so!!

                    Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                    Posted by The Outsider on 8/5/2024, 8:49:13, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                    I don't know but I would think that building a power substation is a very lengthy job. Presumably, they can only switch over to it once it is installed on site and only at that point can they start to remove the old one.

                      Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/5/2024, 9:58:08, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                      Exactly.

                      The current one supplies electricity to the whole town centre, so everything will have to be in place before switching over.

                        Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                        Posted by Cuba on 8/5/2024, 9:09:32, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                        It is, so what is Plan B and Plan C etc etc?

                        If we can’t progress, and the substation has been the reason used previously where does that leave us?

                        And where is the money we earmarked for the ground?

                        Will that earn interest for the foreseeable?

                        Sadly all this was totally inevitable and foreseeable and raising expectations was also a risky approach, despite the PL income.

                          Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                          Posted by The Outsider on 8/5/2024, 9:41:05, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                          Which part of the building of the new substation is well under way is so difficult to understand. Why would you need plan B or plan C?

                          I don't understand your second paragraph. Surely the new substation is enabling us to progress. It has always been stated that that part of the works will take a long time.

                          I have no idea where the money is invested but why wouldn't it be earning interest. I don't suppose that they have left it sitting in the current account.

                            Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                            Posted by HH on 8/5/2024, 9:50:11, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                            but why wouldn't it be earning interest.

                            It can't earn interest in brown bags in the boot of Sweat's merc.

                            Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                            Posted by Ches Fordroad on 8/5/2024, 9:21:55, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                            "Sadly all this was totally inevitable and foreseeable"

                            I've never known anyone who's as capable of seeing every single possible future outcome. Whatever job you're in, it's the wrong one as your talent for foresight is being wasted.

                              Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                              Posted by Cuba on 8/5/2024, 9:39:54, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                              Somewhere in deep annals of this message board (around October 2023), you told us that the delay to PC was due to a few tweaks that we could now afford do make.

                              Do you still stand by that statement?

                              To be fair to you this what GS alluded to on Talksport, however yet again reality is now different.

                              This is why we need to keep asking questions, statements are made without any justification or accountability and that doesn’t work in such a complex building project.

                              I think we all appreciate how hard this is but surely being transparent is better than the status quo?

                                Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                                Posted by Ches Fordroad on 8/5/2024, 9:46:35, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                                Given that I'm not privy to such information I very much doubt I said that.

                                Whilst I don't disagree that it would be good to know more about what's going on, it's incredibly naive to think that that would put an end to any sort of speculation.

                                  Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                                  Posted by Cuba on 8/5/2024, 9:59:19, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                                  The argument at the time I made was why delay things further by making a few tweaks “coz we had more money now”.

                                  Get the build started soonest but instead the latest delay in October 2023 was due to a few changes we could now afford.

                                  But in reality that doesn’t appear to have been the case.

                                  I will see if I can find the link.

                  Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                  Posted by Kitman on 8/5/2024, 8:00:14, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                  We're you actually there? Because that wasn't the context at all. You are turning into Cuba II.

                  Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                  Posted by Yep on 8/5/2024, 7:56:27, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                  Your final paragraph nails it. It's absolutely ridiculous that it is taking so long. Also mental that their are no timelines, how on earth can you price a job without knowing how long it is going to take?!! GS has been very quiet about PC for a while now. He's happy to be all over TalkSport and take the plaudits when things are going well on the pitch, he very much needs to stand up and explain what the fuck is going on with PC. About a decade on and still not getting built!
                  The improvements to KR, Bobber excluded, in the summer, smacked of PC being way off yet and so it has proved.

                    Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                    Posted by Ches Fordroad on 8/5/2024, 8:17:16, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                    " About a decade on and still not getting built!"

                    Well, 5 years or so since the original outline planning permission was granted, so close enough to a decade

                    Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                    Posted by Pelican on 8/5/2024, 7:54:42, in reply to "Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                    Just mental that we don't have timelines...we got planning permission in 2018!

                    How can we expect to budget for costs etc when we literally have no idea when building will start and when the overall project will start and end

                    Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                    Posted by Erm on 8/5/2024, 6:48:59, in reply to "Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                    Where's all the responses to this post gone? Seemed a reasonable discussion. If it was hijacked by trolls (again) and had to be deleted then that's incredibly depressing. There were some points genuine fans would be interested in yet the trolls win. Again.

                    Re: Power Court - build starting within 12 months

                    Posted by Watching on 8/5/2024, 6:26:46, in reply to "Power Court - build starting within 12 months"

                    It's a car engine thing

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