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    Double Act

    Posted by The Outsider on 2/5/2024, 16:15:09

    Tim Robinson as ref and David Coote as VAR !

      Re: Double Act

      Posted by Notorious D on 2/5/2024, 16:17:43, in reply to "Double Act"

      Both referees are truly dreadful. I’m sick of David Coote, he’s by far the worst in the division, and that’s saying something

        Re: Double Act

        Posted by R27 on 2/5/2024, 18:15:03, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

        Based on what ?

          Re: Double Act

          Posted by The Outsider on 2/5/2024, 19:08:45, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

          Amongst other things, Robinson at West Brom - Clark almost decapitated and only a yellow card - he signalled 16 minutes added time and a player went down injured after 14 and was still on the floor two minutes later when he blew for full time with no further play having taken place. Yellow carded McGeehan as he was being stretchered off with a broken leg.

          Coote - allowed Chelsea to score with two balls on the pitch and the throw was taken 20 yards upfield from where the ball went out. Allowed Man U to somehow finish with eleven players at KR this season. Only gave Sam Saunders a yellow for a cynical foul on Elliot Lee.

            Re: Double Act

            Posted by Notorious D on 2/5/2024, 19:18:42, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

            +1. Backs my point up below perfectly.

              Re: Double Act

              Posted by R27 on 2/5/2024, 19:26:05, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

              Maybe, but you were unable to back it up and had to rely on Outsider to do it for you.

              You personally had no idea.

                Re: Double Act

                Posted by Notorious D on 2/5/2024, 19:29:02, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/msg/1714673877.html

                Did you miss the above post, or are you incapable of comprehension? Don’t answer, it’s a rhetorical question.

                  Re: Double Act

                  Posted by R27 on 2/5/2024, 19:37:48, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                  OK, to keep you happy I'll not answer.

                    Re: Double Act

                    Posted by Notorious D on 2/5/2024, 19:43:04, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                    It was a rhetorical question (an answer is not required), because you’ve demonstrated repeatedly that you’re incapable of reading my specific examples about Coote.

                    Think you need to get out more fella.

                      Re: Double Act

                      Posted by R27 on 2/5/2024, 19:47:17, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                      You suggested that your question was rhetorical so there was no need for me to answer.

                      So I refrained from offering an answer. What's your problem with that ?

                        Re: Double Act

                        Posted by Notorious D on 2/5/2024, 19:52:36, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                        The rhetorical question reference was that you have proven you’re incapable of comprehension, as you’ve repeatedly failed to recognise the specific examples I cited.

            Re: Double Act

            Posted by Notorious D on 2/5/2024, 18:32:04, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

            Comparing any of their performances to other referees, in games officiating us.

              Re: Double Act

              Posted by R27 on 2/5/2024, 18:41:25, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

              Go on then. What makes those two so much worse than any others we've had this season ? You have to justify a claim like that with specific examples otherwise it is meaningless.

                Re: Double Act

                Posted by Godders on 2/5/2024, 18:47:21, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                Of course it's meaningless. We are irrational superficial supporters who take umbridge at decisions that go against us and ignore those decisions that go in our favour. No one in their right mind critically analyses a referee's performance as a fan comparing them to each other.

                  Re: Double Act

                  Posted by Notorious D on 2/5/2024, 19:26:22, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                  Speak for yourself mate; It’s based on rational observations. These two stick out as being extremely poor, as well as Darren England.

                  On the other end of the spectrum, Simon Hopper, Rob Jones sbd Andy Maddley appear to be very good refs.

                  This ‘R27’ is being weirdly defensive about my expressing my opinion on a referee. Strange bloke.

                    Re: Double Act

                    Posted by R27 on 2/5/2024, 19:32:47, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                    Not defensive at all, simply asking you for specifics. Luckily for you Outsider got you out of the big hole you dug for yourself.

                    Never heard of the referee Simon Hopper, although Simon Hooper is decent.

                    Agree about Andy Madeley, best of the lot by miles.

                Re: Double Act

                Posted by R27 on 2/5/2024, 18:46:53, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                Or are you getting your excuses in early based on whenever we lose its the officials fault ?

                  Re: Double Act

                  Posted by Notorious D on 2/5/2024, 19:17:57, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                  You seem a bit rattled mate, are you a referee by any chance?!

                  No, I’m not one of these deluded supporters that blindly blames the referee if my team rightly loses; however, like most people, I will make observations on a referees performance, good or bad.

                  As you’re strangely insisting on specific examples to make my point ‘valid’, I will refer to Cootes last two performances involving Luton. The Man united game was as poor and spineless a display I have seen for some time. His decision making was very inconsistent, in that he will let certain fouls go, but then will penalise a similar foul a few minutes later; some call it ‘big club bias’, which might be the case. The Ross Barkley slide tackle by the bobbers immediately springs to mind.

                  The spineless element of his performance relates to Onana consistently time wasting on every goal kick (as was seen against Coventry and rightly penalised by Rob Jones), however Coote failed to book him. Despite there being several stoppages for injuries,substitutions, and time wasting in the second half, Coote only signalled for 6 minutes injury time. Edwards pointed this out during his post match press conference, which was very telling, as Edwards doesn’t usually comment on an officials performance, unless he has very good reason to.

                  I echo the above sentiments for his performance against Wolves. Very inconsistent decision making and this directly impacts upon the flow of the game.

                  Tim Robinson has officiated numerous of our matches throughout the divisions, particularly last season, whereby I recall a very poor performance, largely due to his volatile inconsistency.

                  On the other hand, we have had some good referees; Simon Hooper, Rob Jones and Andy Maddley. The common theme between them was that they all allowed the game to flow, by not constantly giving soft fouls, and staying consistent in their decision making and approach throughout.

                  I’m not a referee basher (for the sake of it), by I will justifiably be angry when I witness a piss poor performance; just like I will praise them when they have a good one.

                    Re: Double Act

                    Posted by R27 on 2/5/2024, 19:43:05, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                    No, I'm not a referee, but given the fact you appear to think you have a better knowledge of the rules than premiership officials, are you. ?

                      Re: Double Act

                      Posted by Notorious D on 2/5/2024, 19:50:48, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                      So you’re one of those types, that doesn’t hold an opinion about something, unless you’re a professional in that industry/sector.

                      If you hold yourself to those same standards, you can’t have an opinion on 99% of topics in life, and must be extremely dull. Although, I suspect you do hold opinions, therefore your hypocritical.

                      Incidentally, whilst never being a premier league referee, I have a decent background in the game, as I played for Luton at youth team level from 11-15. I then played semi professionally until recent years, whereby my full time career has taken over.

                      I’ve played and watched hundreds, if not thousands of games, therefore I’ve obtained a reasonable understanding of what constitutes a good ref vs a poor ref.

                      Can you honestly say the same? Or are you looking to fill a void, by picking a fight on a messageboard?!

                        Re: Double Act

                        Posted by R27 on 2/5/2024, 20:08:09, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                        Picking a fight ? Wind your neck in mate, this is a debating forum, I'm debating your opinions with my own whilst at the same time avoiding insinuations.

                        I too have a long background in football, and chances are I've watched thousands of matches more than you have (that is an assumption, I accept that), what I will not accept is you claiming to be able to decide good v average v poor referees when you know as well as I that to officiate at premier league level means each official has gone through years of doing the job from local parks to where they are now.

                        That, if nothing else tells me clearly that they have a better understanding of the game and its rules than you do.

                        The high horse is therefore yours to get off.

                          Re: Double Act

                          Posted by The Outsider on 2/5/2024, 20:42:42, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                          Being pedantic, they are laws, not rules.

                          Some of the decisions that I mentioned above are down to opinion - for example, some (including Robinson who didn't even give a free kick at first) may feel that Johnstone's assault on Clark was only a yellow card offence.

                          What is a cast iron fact is that no referee should ever blow the final whistle when a player has been down on the pitch having treatment for two minutes. Similarly, the game should be stopped if two balls are in play at the same time.

                    Re: Double Act

                    Posted by R27 on 2/5/2024, 19:11:04, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                    Still waiting for specifics Notorious. Have to assume you have none. (As I thought!).

                      Re: Double Act

                      Posted by Notorious D on 2/5/2024, 19:20:51, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                      Read above before you get your knickers in a twist.

                      Judging by your very strange defensiveness, you’re either a relative/friend of the aforementioned officials, or you are a referee/ex referee. In which case, get off your high horse fella.

                        Re: Double Act

                        Posted by R29 on 2/5/2024, 19:51:40, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                        I don't have a horse, high or otherwise, dangerous creatures.

                        Strange comment for you to make.

                          Re: Double Act

                          Posted by Notorious D on 2/5/2024, 19:54:09, in reply to "Re: Double Act"

                          😂😂 trolling hell.

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