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What difference does 2 deductions in 1 year make, Derby albeit for separate offences got -9 for FFP once hammered out and -12 for admin oh and 3 more suspended for the FFP.
Likewise in one of the cases a Panel said no more than 9 can be docked owing to admin (-9 for Admin).
The Premier League should really be looking to Appeal this one especially..EFL Appeal cases that they don't like or did a few years ago.
Had a chance to skim through the report, but it's massive so will have missed things. However, they state early on that the decision here (i.e. 2 points) is based on what Everton have admitted, which was a £16.6m excess and is less than their last breach. The PL allege the breach is significantly higher due to a disagreement over treatment of interest costs, but the Commission has not yet considered the merits of that allegation and will reach a decision "at a later time". Who knows what that means for this season and any appeals.
As for the 5 points, it's made up as follows: -3 starting point (now seems standard) -2 for the quantum (seems consistent to me on the basis that the smaller breach has been accepted for now) +2 mitigation for double jeopardy (I haven't read their reasons, but I don't see why that should be mitigation) +1 for other mitigation being an early admission (fair enough I guess) and exceptional loss of sponsorship due to Usamnov and his companies being sanctioned due to the Russian war (I would have sympathy if it wasn't for the murky nature of his relationship with the club in the first place) Nothing for exceptional cooperation like Forest gave
They finished 2 points above relegation last year with a worse goal difference. If they had 'co-operated' last year as Forest did this year then either of the 2 charges would have sent them down. The fact they can moan is astonishing. They should have been relegated, but instead they are in contention for relegation with an extra year's worth of Prem money in their pocket. Got away with it.
I can't seem to find it, but what were the losses for the 3 year period and the initial deduction versus the 3 year period for this two point deduction?
I imagine the decision isn't overly consistent. (Although I accept there is a cross over in that period!)
It's all a shit show. Imagine setting up a rule with no defined punishment if someone breaks it!
I understand Everton's perspective to some extent. Given the rolling 3-year cycle, it's inevitable that 2 years are always included. So, their argument seems to be that they've already faced punishment for those other 2 years with the initial 6-point deduction, so I guess this 2 points deduction makes sense?
I suspect the original problem with a set tariff is that clubs could then clearly weigh up the cost of a specified points deduction against levels of extra spending. Becomes a false incentive rather than an unknown risk.
But in reality the precedent set for Everton and Forest has effectively established this scenario anyway.
No, a third offence in the future, will mean they will be given a bonus of 4 extra points. The Premier League is a cartel, and the smaller clubs are only allowed in as cannon fodder. I want to stay up, as the odds are so stacked against clubs like us, and anyone else that attempts to abide by the rules.
That's not the main point though. Yes it effects us today but, bigger picture, what incentive is there to stay within the rules if the punishment is so small?
We were deducted FORTY points for not staying in the rules, of course. Different competition and circumstances, yes, but is what Forest did really ten times less bad than what we did
Even if you disregard the penalties for entering administration, Forest and Everton combined have been docked - for recklessly exceeding spending limits - two points more than we were for paying agents from the wrong bank account. With the right to appeal.
And to see Everton supporters blubbing that it's two punishments in one season .....
Not arguing against any of that. But facts are if we can’t finish above a team that’s had 8 points taken off them. We probably didn’t deserve to stay up.
Maybe they were able to stay up (if that's what occurs) as their cheating enabled them to sign, retain and pay players they couldn't afford (over many seasons) and, so, breaking the rules enabled them to build a squad 10 or 12 poi to better than ours? That they couldn't have done without cheating. Because Luton stayed within them, they couldn't, and, so, had a weaker squad. That's the point. The reason we might not be good enough is we didn't cheat when others did and the punishment for cheating is so soft
We won’t have a better chance of staying up over the final five games now.
If we don’t manage it then it won’t be down to FFP.
Re: On the other hand
Posted by mmmm on 8/4/2024, 14:16:47, in reply to "On the other hand"
Exactly. I was expecting nothing so 2 points closer is huge at this point. They were also rubbish against Burnley so we have two / three teams in the mix with us. Good news.
I’ve just been reading their response. So the reason has now moved - now it’s apparently the war in Ukraine that meant they spunked the best part of 200m on Michael Keane, Alex iwobi, yerri Mina, onana, Godfrey and gbamin, and couldn’t sell Pickford or Calvert lewin.
Wasn’t covid after all - it was all putins fault.
They have thanked them though. 1 point up on punishment weekend isn’t half bad.
I think it's something to do with the finances situation regarding the new ground, with both Everton and the EPL having different opinions on how it affects FFP
You are correct. Just checked..it is to do with the capitalisation of Interest, thst should really be within this season.
If the Interest capitalisation is ruled incorrect that would increase the overspend which surely means more points..should very much fall in this season.
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