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Ogbene out
Posted by m on 28/3/2024, 15:00:17
Hamstring. No one back either as per Geoff Doyle.
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Observer on 28/3/2024, 16:24:19, in reply to "Ogbene out "
Being pragmatic, there’s no point risking anyone in the next two matches.
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Northern lad on 28/3/2024, 17:53:28, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Ogbene, hamstring. Doubt we'll see him again this season.
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Music Critic on 28/3/2024, 16:35:32, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Against Arsenal, yes, but we're in a position where we need a surprise win and Spurs is the best chance of that (still a tiny chance but better than our chances against City and Arsenal, which are next to nil)
So, agreed, there is no point risking players for Arsenal and City - I'd even rest Barkley for those
But, regardless, without knowing Ogbene's exact situation, I don't think we're in a position to risk anyone in the sense that our injured are all "very injured" rather than knocks and slight strains. So, risking a player who might be 50:50 isn't even an option
Getting relegated by injuries (if we do drop) is incredibly frustrating. You can live with relegation through not being good enough but I reckon our 1st choice 11 would have been capable of 16th
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by ELH on 28/3/2024, 16:50:09, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
I would agree and before the most recent news I was thinking this at least for the Arsenal game given that we are playing again on the Saturday. But who are we going to bring in? We only had 4 senior outfield players on the bench against Forest and one needs to step in for Ogbene.
Maybe JJ can play a part, but would be unfair to throw in the youths who aren't ready yet in. I hope that's a choice and not necessity!
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Observer on 28/3/2024, 16:43:03, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
I’d have been more confident of springing a surprise if Tottenham hadn’t thrown in a vintage “spursy” in their last match
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Music Critic on 28/3/2024, 16:46:14, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Agreed
But Spurs is still our only (very small) chance of getting anything out of these next 3 away games so, if risking a player for Saturday was an option, I'd have been tempted to take that risk
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Hugh Jaynus on 28/3/2024, 15:59:43, in reply to "Ogbene out "
Basically we're fcked.
Sambi
Posted by Cuba on 28/3/2024, 16:03:44, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Not close to a return I see.
Makes the decision to not cover Marv even more ridiculous.
What a missed and badly managed opportunity.
FFS
Re: Sambi
Posted by Nick NLPBH on 28/3/2024, 16:32:58, in reply to "Sambi "
Just for amusement value
What "cover" were you thinking was realstic?
Bare in mind you advocated keeping giles due to a defensive crisis at CB, and banged on about Dion Perrira.
Is this an elaborate routine or are you captain cockwomble hindsight?
Re: Sambi
Posted by Cuba on 28/3/2024, 16:38:13, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
Nice bit of gaslighting re: Giles, but if it makes you feel better.
Dion FFS, that was nearly two years ago.
As for who the cover would have been, why would I know. I am not paid seven figures to run a football club.
Those that are dropped the ball and admitted as such in the Sheffield programme, we haven’t won since.
Re: Sambi
Posted by Sandgrounder on 28/3/2024, 16:45:51, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
Again, “dropped the ball”
or “worked every minute of every day in January to try and strengthen, but due to the prices being asked for players / the wishes of those players to join a relegation threatened club / the (fairly understandable) lack of a well developed world wide scouting system for a club of our size and recent history couldn’t ultimately strengthen as they wanted to without taking what were considered undue risks”
What do you reckon?
Re: Sambi
Posted by Observer on 28/3/2024, 16:41:19, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
You spent most of January accusing Giles of having an attitude problem and saying we’d be better off without him
Re: Sambi
Posted by Cuba on 28/3/2024, 16:53:31, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
Yes I did, so I never suggested we kept him to play in central defence!
I would have liked to ship him out and replace with some who “fancied us”
Instead we loan him out with no obligation.
Great.
Re: Sambi
Posted by jimmyp on 28/3/2024, 18:44:25, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
We can only loan him out with an obligation if someone wants to loan him in with an obligation.
I feel like you do need this pointing out.
Cheers, Jim
Re: Sambi
Posted by Cuba on 28/3/2024, 19:11:02, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
Well in that case why loan at all.
How has loaning our record signing in any way helped our cause?
Re: Sambi
Posted by The Outsider on 28/3/2024, 19:29:41, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
IF (and I'm not saying that it is the case) he was a disruptive influence within the squad, it might be that they felt it better to get him out of the club for the rest of the season.
Re: Sambi
Posted by crumpsall on 28/3/2024, 20:09:22, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
I (and Mr and Mrs Soulhat) had an interesting conversation with his brother and dad at Witton Station post Villa game, he was unhappy apparently - but it was also confirmed from 'other sources' that he was training hard and well and being very professional.
I don't think anyone had a bad word to say about him: it just didn't work out and once we'd changed our style of play there wasn't a place for him.
Not the first, not the last. Remember Steve Williams!
Re: Sambi
Posted by Doctor Ince on 28/3/2024, 20:04:52, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
Apparently there were doubts about him both in training and in matches from October onwards.
We have one poor transfer a year, just a shame this one cost a bit of money
Re: Sambi
Posted by Doctor Ince on 28/3/2024, 20:22:14, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
To clarify after Crumpsalls post above, I don't mean about his effort in training, just what the coaches saw in terms of ability to play the role as required
Re: Sambi
Posted by crumpsall on 28/3/2024, 21:05:10, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
Sounds spot on
Re: Sambi
Posted by jimmyp on 28/3/2024, 19:16:24, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
"why would I know. I am not paid seven figures to run a football club"
There could be any number of reasons but you're one of those 'if I can't conceive of a reason, there can't possibly be one' types.
Cheers, Jim
Re: Sambi
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 28/3/2024, 16:54:32, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
Do shove off to another team, there's a good little pessimist.
Re: Sambi
Posted by MG on 28/3/2024, 16:52:42, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
Do keep up, that's not what he is saying now .
Just think we've got April's version to look forwards to soon.
Re: Sambi
Posted by Observer on 28/3/2024, 16:55:40, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
“I said he had an altitude problem and might struggle if we played at West Brom, or La Paz”
Re: Sambi
Posted by Nostracuntus on 28/3/2024, 16:25:58, in reply to "Sambi "
Lottery numbers please oh mighty one.
Re: Sambi
Posted by b on 28/3/2024, 16:10:24, in reply to "Sambi "
Right on cue....
What an absolute cock end spunkle bubble you are.
Re: Sambi
Posted by Sandgrounder on 28/3/2024, 16:10:23, in reply to "Sambi "
You could equally say: “makes the massive amount of hard work put in to find cover for Marv, which unfortunately was unsuccessful” rather than “the decision not to cover Marv”
Re: Sambi
Posted by Cuba on 28/3/2024, 16:18:25, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
Do you have proof of that?
Failure to ensure a full (25) and healthy squad is going to cost us.
Broken legs and Achilles are one thing but we have picked up endless injuries that are preventable.
And only one was actually picked up in game time, Sambi.
Eli - warm up - out for season Marv - training- out for season Brown - training - out for season
Etc etc.
Where is the accountability for this?
It meant that strengthening was a must because we have fragile players or damaging training methods. Or both.
Nakamba was on international duty when he got injured
Posted by Paul Showler on 28/3/2024, 17:04:56, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
fyi
Re: Sambi
Posted by Observer on 28/3/2024, 16:22:19, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
“Do you have proof of that?“
Do you have proof of YOUR assertions?
I’m surprised you’re not blaming Ogbene’s injury on the club’s medical team, given your expert knowledge of the subject.
Re: Sambi
Posted by Sandgrounder on 28/3/2024, 16:32:41, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
“Do you have proof of your assertions”
Indeed, thank you saving me the bother of posting that!
And no I don’t have proof, no-one does one way or the other outside of the club. Which is why it’s best not to chuck accusations around.
Re: Sambi
Posted by Cuba on 28/3/2024, 17:11:21, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
Maybe suddenly being bbb and telling everyone we would survive, karma - it’s what happens when you forget your humility.
Has anyone heard or seen Hattytown recently????
Re: Sambi
Posted by Sandgrounder on 28/3/2024, 17:32:46, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
What on earth are you talking about now?
Re: Sambi
Posted by crumpsall on 28/3/2024, 17:29:23, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
Why do you post this crap on here? Have you ever contacted the club with your 'concerns' or do you simply look for the opportunity to crow about 'being right' (in your eyes) when genuine fans are actually concerned, not triumphalist twat trolls like you?
Re: Sambi
Posted by Pissing old lady spotter on 28/3/2024, 16:22:15, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
Eli and Brown were injured after the deadline passed.
Shall we sign players outside the window now? 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Re: Sambi
Posted by Doctor Ince on 28/3/2024, 16:20:24, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
Yeah but according to Elliot Plant the new fitness centre has had a positive impact on injuries
Re: Sambi
Posted by MG on 28/3/2024, 18:10:23, in reply to "Re: Sambi "
Obviously it does, how many more do you expect?
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by no or yes on 28/3/2024, 15:48:53, in reply to "Ogbene out "
What about Pelly? not mentioned below.
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Sandgrounder on 28/3/2024, 15:49:55, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Available
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by no or yes on 28/3/2024, 15:53:39, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
man of steel!
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by MG on 28/3/2024, 15:31:08, in reply to "Ogbene out "
Anderson getting close apparently.
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Brko's Bicycle on 28/3/2024, 15:08:00, in reply to "Ogbene out "
That's five out with twanged hamstrings I think (Sambi, Chieo, Potts, Bell, Adebayo). Need to recruit a hamstring analyst!
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Music Critic on 28/3/2024, 15:43:43, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Perhaps we should pick and choose when to apply "Rob-ball" too. That style often leads to stretching injuries
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Rog on 28/3/2024, 16:05:17, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
I think its time to take the gloves off. Its time to be very physical but not be legging it about to much. keep it close, defend in numbers
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Music Critic on 28/3/2024, 16:11:34, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Agreed, especially in the next 3 away games.
Said it before but two banks of 5 behind the ball with the wing backs/full backs always staying behind the ball. Press in our half and try our best to counter when we can
We can go a bit more Rob-ball in all the other games. It'd be irresponsible to do that against Spurs, Arsenal and City
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Zaphod on 28/3/2024, 19:36:06, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
That's a good shout.
Coincidentally NJ had 9 games to keep us up when he returned, adopted a defensive formation in the tougher away fixtures e.g.Leeds
If we were still in the game after 65 minutes he brought on the more creative subs to go for the win. Worked a treat, we got two unexpected away wins.
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Rog on 28/3/2024, 16:15:08, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Yep, im in agreement with that, has to be ugly in those three away games
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Sandgrounder on 28/3/2024, 15:10:14, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Can probably add Burke to that list soon, it’s always a hamstring with him as well!
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Music Critic on 28/3/2024, 15:01:26, in reply to "Ogbene out "
Sambi "still a few weeks away"
FFS
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Realistic on 28/3/2024, 16:37:39, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Sambi was never eligible to play against Arsenal anyway of course, so was always going to be out for that one.
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Music Critic on 28/3/2024, 16:39:07, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
I realise that but it would have been nice to have him back for Spurs and Bournemouth
I thought he was only a week or two away 3 weeks ago
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Earls on 28/3/2024, 15:18:12, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Fascinated to know how he’s still weeks away, when it seemed he was nearly ready four weeks ago. How have we got 10 players out for weeks at a time? Gone are the days of only missing a game or two. OH WELL. Onwards.
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Joe Wicks on 28/3/2024, 16:36:52, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Poor preseason training.The squad is not fit enough to last the season.Clueless on the sports science,was alright for Forest Green standards but not for the prem
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Observer on 28/3/2024, 16:39:57, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Not brave enough to post this under your usual name (if any), then, “Joe”?
Good point
Posted by JW on 28/3/2024, 16:08:37, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
You would have hoped those interviewing had asked that question wouldn't you.....
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Newton on 28/3/2024, 15:41:32, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
It's not really surprising that we have so many hamstring injuries, it's surely a result of us having to play at full pelt every single game.
Injuries look likely to cost us this season, which is a shame.
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Sandgrounder on 28/3/2024, 15:25:27, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Yep, somehow how the international break has resulted in a net loss of one player.
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Earls on 28/3/2024, 15:40:25, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Well, no, Joe Johnson is back, so it’s net zero. Given the defensive crisis, that’s something and means we can see Hashioka play where we signed him as Ogbene’s replacement. But it is absurd that, given Johnson was ill rather than injured, nobody at all has recovered.
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Doctor Ince on 28/3/2024, 16:19:15, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
According to some on here we signed Hashioka as a replacement for Lockyer and Giles, while also covering every position across the back
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Sandgrounder on 28/3/2024, 15:49:29, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
He’s an excellent prospect but I’m not counting a teenager who’s played a handful of minutes as a first team player yet, sorry.
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Sandgrounder on 28/3/2024, 15:09:25, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Sigh. Got to somehow try and beat Bournemouth with what we have available. Any points v Spurs, Arsenal and Man City would be very unlikely regardless of who is available (depending on how ‘Spursy’ Spurs are feeling). Then have to hope a few more are back for the last 5 massive games (starting in 3 weeks) all of which are winnable.
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Music Critic on 28/3/2024, 15:48:14, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
It would have mattered much less, of course, if we knew how to close a game out when 3-0 up at half-time and held on for a point against Villa. 4 points chucked away there
And even just a point against Sheff Utd would have been ok
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by m on 28/3/2024, 16:03:10, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Imagine that eh and then look at the table had that happenend. People are going to kick themselves if we go down now imo. Never have a better chance to turn £100 million into double!!
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Sandgrounder on 28/3/2024, 16:01:28, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
Agreed, but the Villa and Bournemouth results are partly due to injuries too. Players are mentally and physically exhausted with few options to change things.
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Trft on 28/3/2024, 15:05:01, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
My charge positivity is failing
And reality is kicking in
Keep the faith
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Time on 28/3/2024, 16:32:14, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
To dig out the Gorilla glue brother!
Re: Ogbene out
Posted by Trft on 28/3/2024, 17:39:55, in reply to "Re: Ogbene out "
1/10
Re: Ogbene out
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