Luton Outlaws - The Avenue of Evil

Posted by Frankly on 14/3/2024, 8:30:36

I know we've got a injuries list as long as your arm but I fail to see why RE didn't adjust at halftime and defend a 3 goal lead.
Every other manager in the prem would have done so.

Re: RE

Posted by Seriously on 14/3/2024, 8:43:19, in reply to "RE"

Probably because he thought it would have invited a dangerous Bournemouth attack, further into our half. Individual defensive errors put us back to 3-3, there was only one winner after that. How does a manager become responsible for individual errors on the pitch.
The jap bloke owned two and who ever should have won the header in his zone for the corner.

Re: RE

Posted by Music Critic on 14/3/2024, 9:01:51, in reply to "Re: RE"

Individual errors often stem from structural issues. Defenders being asked to do too much or to win too many 1:1 battles with, let's be honest, better players

Probably because he thought it would have invited a dangerous Bournemouth attack, further into our half.

Probably a risk worth taking. Better that than leaving us open. We are not good enough as a unit nor do we have good enough players - yet - to be able to play Rob-ball for 90+ mins. This is why we're often having 1 good half and 1 utterly shite half of football every week. We need to adopt different tactics depending on opponent and game situation. 3 up at half time - sit deep, 2 banks of 5, grind it out, feign injury to take momentum out of the game. We are so naive.

Our game management is atrocious. Yet, for long periods in the home games against Newcastle and Palace, we proved we can manage a game at this level (accepting that we are more injury hit now than we were back then). Burnley away a more recent example

I think we're better than 21 points and would be if we had been, tactically, a bit smarter at times

Re: RE

Posted by Seriously on 14/3/2024, 13:10:55, in reply to "Re: RE"

Goal 1 Hashioka allows Solanke to turn in the box and score. Weak defending.
Goal 2 near post header, Barkleys zone, not determined enough to win his zone.
Goal 3 Hashioka allows the winger to run at him and doesn't close down the shot. Too far off the forward when he shoots.
Goal 4, Barkley allows his man to run off him and finish. Poor defence from Barkley.

These are nothing to do with structural issues, it's players not doing their jobs to the required level.

Yes we could have tried to play more defensively but had that failed everyone would be saying why change from the first half's tactics. The topic of having a go or sitting in was done to death on this site weeks ago.I think you may have favoured having a go.
Swings and roundabouts, fine margins, Bournemouth deserve some credit for their second half performance and they looked strong going forward all game.
We need yo mindful of our expectations and the circumstances the squad find themselves in.

Re: RE

Posted by Music Critic on 14/3/2024, 16:44:49, in reply to "Re: RE"

The topic of having a go or sitting in was done to death on this site weeks ago.I think you may have favoured having a go.

By the way this quote is bollocks. I've been advocating reigning in Rob-ball and using it sometimes but not all the time

Re: RE

Posted by Music Critic on 14/3/2024, 13:25:05, in reply to "Re: RE"

Honestly, structural issues really do play a part. I didn't mean to imply it's the whole story but it's a significant part of it

Defenders are having too much to do, due to them being over exposed, due to our tactical approach. Having too much to do leads to mistakes and lapses in concentration. Asking them to go 1:1 against better players is hanging them out to dry, asking them to do things they're not capable of.

With a more solid structure and NOT being asked to go 1:1 with excellent forwards, defenders are not overworked and they don't become physically or mentally as tired.

I like Rob-ball but we need to use it at the right times. 3 up away from home against a better team and against better individual players than we have should have led to us slowing the game down, taking out the chaos and making it boring as fukk. We refuse to do that it seems. Yet we have done it earlier this season when we managed the 2nd halves against Everton away, Newcastle at home and Palace at home pretty well. Looked a proper, organised team

Re: RE

Posted by Seriously on 14/3/2024, 15:48:00, in reply to "Re: RE"

You are not giving Bournemouth any credit for their performance and how do we know the players we have can consistently play in the structure you suggest?
The players we have as a squad are not at this level, the league position proves that, individually they could go to better teams do better and make a living.
Anyone who expected us to do better than we are doing is a bit deluded.

Re: RE

Posted by Music Critic on 14/3/2024, 16:54:21, in reply to "Re: RE"

Oh and this

The players we have as a squad are not at this level, the league position proves that, individually they could go to better teams do better and make a living.

Exactly! We cant play the way Edwards wants us to play for 90 minutes because you're absolutely right. They need to be set up, tactically, to help them sometimes. Once we went 3 up yesterday, we help the makeshift defence by being structured and hard to break down. We didn't need to chase or take risks. For those who say that didn't work earlier in the season - we didn't find ourselves 3 up at half time too often in the first 3 months of the season. It lends itself to my point that we need to adapt the approach from game to game and within individual games depending on the circumstances

Re: RE

Posted by Music Critic on 14/3/2024, 16:41:28, in reply to "Re: RE"

Why the fukk should I give B'mouth credit? I'm a Luton fan and worried about our strengths and weaknesses. No side at any level should give up a 3 goal lead. Yes, it happens but it really shouldn't.

You're conflating other arguments into this now and getting angry and I'm not really sure what point you're now trying to make

Where did I say I expected to do better? I've seen with my own eyes that we SHOULD be doing better, points-wise. We are very close to being a decent side at this level. Yes the players have made mistakes but Edwards has fukked up at times too. With some tactical tweaking I reckon we'd have more points than we have got

I'll leave it there. But all I will say on the defending is that it stands to reason if you're over-worked you'll make mistakes, like in normal life.

Re: RE

Posted by Seriously on 14/3/2024, 17:57:22, in reply to "Re: RE"

Can you point out where I am getting angry, there are only a few posters on here I would debate football with, you being one, as usually you are well balanced. We will have to disagree today but that's part of the joy of football, different opinions.
The point I was making was that individual errors ultimately cost us the game, where you blame the structure. No structure will work if you make individual errors and those errors are out of the managers control once the players cross the white line.

On to Saturday for another try.

Re: RE

Posted by Doctor Ince on 14/3/2024, 10:45:25, in reply to "Re: RE"

Completely agree

That's the frustrating thing. We're too nice to do the niggly stuff and it costs us.

We should've been slowing it down, keeping the ball and generally being a bit 'anti football' to weather their spell.

Little things like walking off with the ball when they have a set piece, taking an age at goal kicks and so on

Re: RE

Posted by Notorious D on 14/3/2024, 9:35:15, in reply to "Re: RE"

+1.

Re: RE

Posted by MG on 14/3/2024, 9:24:54, in reply to "Re: RE"

A lot of Bournemouth's best attacks in the first half came when we were defending deep. When we invited the pressure we just didn't seem to have the energy to get out of the box when the ball came back out to one of their players. Let's be honest, Bournemouth could have scored at least a couple of times in that first half with decent finishing.

Without an attacking threat I think the result would have been the same. It was mostly about energy and quality levels, and they were bringing on a constant stream of fresh, proven, Premier League players. Something we simply can't match.

Re: RE

Posted by m on 14/3/2024, 9:24:06, in reply to "Re: RE"

This exactly. Completely naive

Re: RE

Posted by T.k. on 14/3/2024, 9:08:33, in reply to "Re: RE"

Spot on.

Re: RE

Posted by Earls on 14/3/2024, 8:49:58, in reply to "Re: RE"

He’s responsible for Hashioka’s errors because Hashioka shouldn’t have been on the pitch after 3-1. The momentum at 3-1 made it obvious how the game was going to flow if Edwards didn’t change anything. He didn’t.

Re: RE

Posted by Shutupya on 14/3/2024, 8:59:01, in reply to "Re: RE"

Who should he have replaced him with?

Re: RE

Posted by Earls on 14/3/2024, 9:24:31, in reply to "Re: RE"

Pelly and Berry for Hashioka and Clark.

Re: RE

Posted by bbb on 14/3/2024, 8:40:58, in reply to "RE"

He is out of his depth

Re: RE

Posted by bbb on 14/3/2024, 9:04:45, in reply to "Re: RE"

Yet another day of you being a dribbling spastic then?

Deep joy.

Re: RE

Posted by Observer on 14/3/2024, 9:11:08, in reply to "Re: RE"

He’s racking up the names today

Re: RE

Posted by bbb on 14/3/2024, 9:16:26, in reply to "Re: RE"

Yep. I genuinely wouldn't mind if the cunt was funny with it. Unfortunately he's not capable of that.

Re: RE

Posted by Ha Ha Hatters on 14/3/2024, 8:33:43, in reply to "RE"

What a job Edwards is doing at Luton Town

Re: RE

Posted by Observer on 14/3/2024, 8:43:58, in reply to "Re: RE"

Not as good as job as Valerie Ishmael did at Udinese D

Tom Stupidly is perfectly named. He’ll take you back to where you belong.

Re: RE

Posted by Kev 8 on 14/3/2024, 8:55:12, in reply to "Re: RE"

We are too honest. If Sheffield utd were 3-0 up they would be killing the game by time wasting and feigning injury.

Re: RE

Posted by Harry haslams honda on 14/3/2024, 9:01:47, in reply to "Re: RE"

You mean like they tried at 2 nil up vs Bournemouth and yet were very very fortunate to escape with a draw despite having most of their so called ‘game changers’ available to them

Re: RE

Posted by Kev 8 on 14/3/2024, 12:28:51, in reply to "Re: RE"

Like they did against us a few weeks back.

« Back to index

[ Luton Outlaws - The Avenue of Evil ]

Luton Outlaws - Independent Message Board for Luton Town FC